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guitarbuddha

 

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Examples of good English. 

How about we share some genuinely fine examples of this confusing, contradictory and impossible to master language ?

Nowhere better to start than Shapespear.

'The quality of mercy is not strained........'

Just like a woman to take the fun out of our reaching for a pound of flesh eh ?

And one more, and very fitting for a flamenco forum;

'It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that thing.'

All contributions welcome !

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.

Maya Angelou

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.

Maya Angelou


Thanks Paul for getting the ball rolling.

I am gonna google Maya right now, yes my ignorance is vast. Sounds a lot like 'The evil that men do..', from Julius Ceaser I think.

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

…if you would convert a man to a belief, the thing to do is not to argue with him but to make him like you. Then he will feel that, because you are a fine fellow, your opinions must have value. This is bad logic but good psychology.

L. Sprague de Camp, The Great Monkey Trial

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:09:13
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.

Al Capone

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:10:27
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Wear your learning like a watch and do not pull it out merely to show you have it. If you are asked for the time, tell it; but do not proclaim it hourly unasked.

Lord Chesterfield

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:11:41
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

Wear your learning like a watch and do not pull it out merely to show you have it. If you are asked for the time, tell it; but do not proclaim it hourly unasked.

Lord Chesterfield


Well Paul I am glad I asked.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:13:41
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

…if you would convert a man to a belief, the thing to do is not to argue with him but to make him like you. Then he will feel that, because you are a fine fellow, your opinions must have value. This is bad logic but good psychology.

L. Sprague de Camp, The Great Monkey Trial


Was it John Dewey or Mark Twain who said ?(something like)

'To say you have taught and nobody learned is like saying you sold but nobody bought'

Corrections will be very welcome.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:16:32
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

quote:

To say you have taught and nobody learned is like saying you sold but nobody bought


I like that one.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:26:29
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

Wear your learning like a watch and do not pull it out merely to show you have it. If you are asked for the time, tell it; but do not proclaim it hourly unasked.

Lord Chesterfield


Here is a more contemporary companion to that.

'Nobody loves a smartarse !'

From my Mum


MY OWN BLOODY MUM

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 0:51:31
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Clint Eastwood from the 'Unforgiven', the pivotal exchange.

'He had it coming.....didn't he ?'

'We've all got it coming.'

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

In the nineteenth century British parliament, William Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli were arch-enemies. During one contentious session, Disraeli was advocating for a program to which Gladstone vehemently objected. The exchange occurred as follows.

Gladstone, vehemently denouncing both Disraeli and Disraeli's advocacy of the program: "...and furthermore, sir, you shall end your days either on the gallows or of a foul disease."

To which Disraeli, not missing a beat, responded: "That, sir, will depend upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

Cheers,

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 1:09:26
 
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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to BarkellWH

More !
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Ruphus

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to BarkellWH

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

In the nineteenth century British parliament, William Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli were arch-enemies. During one contentious session, Disraeli was advocating for a program to which Gladstone vehemently objected. The exchange occurred as follows.

Gladstone vehemently denouncing both Disraeli and Disraeli's advocacy of the program: "...and furthermore, sir, you shall end your days either on the gallows or of a foul disease."

To which Disraeli, not missing a beat, responded: "That, sir, will depend upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

Cheers,

Bill


hehehehe
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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Lord Melbourne served as Home Secretary, and twice as Prime Minister. He was known for adherence to principle, warmheartedness and his ready wit. He was a member of the Whig party. One day during a political crisis he was ascending the steps of the Houses of Parliament while a prominent Tory was coming down.

"Good morning, Milord," said the Tory, "and how is your pot boiling today?"

"i seldom go into the kitchen," replied Melbourne, "but my cook tells me that the scum still rises to the top."

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For those unfamiliar with British customs, it is customary for coversation to continue, or even to begin while standing side by side at the urinal trough in the men's room. One day Winston Churchill entered the men's room in the House of Commons and encountered Aneurin Bevan, a prominent member of the Labour Party. Instead of making small talk, Churchill went to the far end, as far from Bevan as he could get.

Bevan spoke up, "What's the matter Winnie, not feeling sociable today, are we?"

"No, it's just that that whenever you socialist chaps see something big, you want to nationalize it."

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Ruphus

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Funny Churchill!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 5:17:30
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Ruphus

“The present letter is a very long one, simply because I had no leisure to make it shorter.”

So said Blaise Pascal, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 6:27:18
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to BarkellWH

Orwell.

“Political language … is designed … to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”

(Not my contraction incidentally).

Full article here.
http://blogs.ubc.ca/rmst221/files/2010/01/orwell-pol-en.pdf
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 6:54:00
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Ruphus

OK, might as well post the most famous one, for the benefit of non-native English-speakers who might not have heard it:

Lady Astor, to Winston Churchill: “You, Sir, are drunk!”
Churchill: “And you, Madam, are ugly! But tomorrow, I shall be sober."

(Found in various versions with minor variations in the wording.)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:40:00
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to Paul Magnussen

And of course:

Lady Astor: “If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.”
Churchill: “Madam, if you were my wife, I'd drink it!”

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:41:38
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

The actress Francesca Annis, on American network TV censorship:

They’re always saying ‘Oh no, no, no, no. You can’t do it like that.’ In the end, they want you to express something quite extraordinary. Here I’m playing a woman who’s totally enthralled, sexually, by this man Cutter. And I have to express it all from the shoulders to the ear lobe.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:46:17
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Sir Thomas Beecham, on harpsichords:

To me, the harpsichord sounds like two skeletons copulating on a tin roof.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:47:37
 
Paul Magnussen

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Aim at perfection in everything, though in most things it is unattainable. However, they who aim at it, and persevere, will come much nearer to it than those whose laziness and despondency make them give it up as unattainable.

Lord Chesterfield

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:49:26
 
Paul Magnussen

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Our prejudices are our mistresses; reason is at best our wife, very often heard indeed, but seldom minded.

Lord Chesterfield

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2013 15:51:28
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

And here’s an interesting one, even if you don’t agree with it:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think that if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Theodore Dalrymple

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guitarbuddha

 

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quote:

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And here’s an interesting one, even if you don’t agree with it:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think that if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

Theodore Dalrymple


LOOK.

In my study of FASCIST societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of FASCIST propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think that if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.


Too easy isn't it. Here are the steps.

1. Choose a universal observation which is true of all societies.
2. Choose a target.
3. Insist that the observation only applies to the target.
4. Choose a style of language which you know will appeal to your constituency.
5. Ensure that you flatter the intelligence of your constituency by pointing out the stupidity of the target.
6. (AND THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT) Ensure that you are the epitomy of hypocrisy in your statements. eg.


'In my study of THEODORE DALRYMPLE'S quote , I came to the conclusion that the purpose of HIS propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself.

One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think that if you examine MR DALRYMPLE' S ARGUMENT, it has the same effect and is intended to.'




In the much more full and honest article by Orwell he takes great pains to select targets from a wide cross section of the political spectrum. And frankly he attacks this kind of hogwash much more masterfully than I could ever hope to.

But Mr Dalrymple would be hard pressed in his profession if he was an intellectually honest man. Nor would he have as many admirers, people love 'style' (uurgh, this is style!!) over substance.


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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Wow. That one really seemed to push a button.

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

Dorothy Parker, about the actress Katherine Hepburn: "Last night at the Shubert, Miss Hepburn ran the gamut of emotions from A to B."

Asked about newspaper baron William Randolph Hearst's mansion on the California coast, after being invited to the housewarming party: "It shows what God could have done, if He had money."

The latter kept running through my mind a year ago, as I tramped wearily through mile after mile of marble corridors of the Vatican Museum, lined with centuries' worth of loot.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

Wow. That one really seemed to push a button.


A button of sense and truth after all.

I see the made observation in our media daily.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

Dorothy Parker, about the actress Katherine Hepburn: "Last night at the Shubert, Miss Hepburn ran the gamut of emotions from A to B."

Asked about newspaper baron William Randolph Hearst's mansion on the California coast, after being invited to the housewarming party: "It shows what God could have done, if He had money."

The latter kept running through my mind a year ago, as I tramped wearily through mile after mile of marble corridors of the Vatican Museum, lined with centuries' worth of loot.

RNJ


A last sentence of connection and depth!
I like it a lot.


What has such kind of crook church to do with a Jesus?
After two millenia of hairpulling over crude pretenders´ misuse of his name, the poor guy must long since be bald headed.

... Maybe that´s why he never returned to set things right; not used to appearing in public without long curly hair.

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RE: Examples of good English. (in reply to guitarbuddha

One cannot trust people whose cuisine is so bad.

Jacques Chirac, about the English

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