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BarkellWH

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The Last Lion, Defender of the Realm... 

For the Brits on the Foro (and for anyone else who is interested), I have just finished the recently published third volume of William Manchester's biography of Winston Churchill, subtitled "Defender of the Realm, 1940 to 1965." Manchester suffered a stroke and died before finishing it, and Paul Reid collaborated and then took over to finish it. The first two volumes of The Last Lion were "Visions of Glory," about Churchill's early years, and "alone," about his years in the wilderness when he was the lone voice warning against Hitler and the Nazis. Manchester is a beautiful writer, and while he clearly holds Churchill in high regard, the biography is not a hagiography.

I have always held Winston Churchill in high regard. He stood alone against Nazi Germany during the 1940 blitz, while the Soviet Union had made and benefited from the Nazi-Soviet Pact with Hitler and America remained neutral. It has been said that by not losing to Germany during that desperate time (allowing for America's and the USSR's eventual entry into the war), Churchill won, and may well have saved Western civilization. His great wartime speeches are still stirring. The American journalist Edward R. Murrow, broadcasting from London, said that Churchill "mobilized the English language and sent it into battle."

It is a great biography about one of history's great wartime leaders. Highly recommended.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to BarkellWH

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

his years in the wilderness when he was the lone voice warning against Hitler and the Nazis.

Bill


Thank goodness he was listened to at Gallipoli.

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 14:38:31
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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Thank goodness he was listened to at Gallipoli.


Gallipoli was a disaster during World War I. The third volume of Manchester's biography, to which I am referring in my comment, concerns Churchill's leadership as Prime Minister during World War II.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 14:59:57
 
Morante

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to BarkellWH

But he did not play guitar and this is a flamenco guitar forum
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 15:21:13
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to Morante

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But he did not play guitar and this is a flamenco guitar forum.


...with an Off-Topic section.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 15:28:24
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to BarkellWH

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

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Thank goodness he was listened to at Gallipoli.


Gallipoli was a disaster during World War I. The third volume of Manchester's biography, to which I am referring in my comment, concerns Churchill's leadership as Prime Minister during World War II.

Cheers,

Bill

Who are you talking to there Bill ?????

Are you giving me information you think I don't have, sure would be some kind of coincidence if I happened to mention Gallipoli ?

To flesh out the context a little more for you (always glad to help) I will place my comment back in context.

You said

'his years in the wilderness when he was the lone voice warning against Hitler and the Nazis.'

I am inviting you to acknowledge that there could be some very good reasons for his political isolation. But no you attempt to place my (addmittedly sarcastic) jibe out of context since you only ever seriously address the cheap seats.

But bravely done kicking off a post mentioning the Nazis straight off the bat.
Are you trying to set some kind of record ?

Listen .... can you hear it ...... it is the sound of one had clapping.

Happy baiting !!!!!
D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 15:29:06
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to guitarbuddha

No one is "baiting," Guitarbuddha. I simply offered my recommendation of the third volume of Manchester's biography of Churchill. You are welcome to agree or disagree with my view of Churchill, but I fail to see why you get wrapped around the axle over it.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 15:34:26
 
Gummy

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to BarkellWH

Several years ago I read Manchester's "Goodbye Darkness" . As a young Marine back then, I found it especially interesting. He described his time fighting as a Marine on Guam and meeting Ricky Bordallo who would later become the governor. I also met Bordallo a couple times when I was a police officer there. Anyway, he was a good writer, I'll check out the book.
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gj Michelob

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to BarkellWH

On a lighter note, I propose one detail which may tie the great Winston Churchill to Spain's traditions. This is from a [must read] article by Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt herself:

"Sir Winston did not believe in suffering where it was not necessary to do so as far as food was concerned. Something hot, something cold …. 'Something cold' was translated into two kinds of cold meat with English mustard and two kinds of fruit plus a tumbler of sherry."
[Eleanor Roosevelt, The Atlantic, March 1, 1965]

I love biographies, and find those about Churchill are often the most enticing. My absolute favorite remains [Roy Jenkins, Churchill, Farrar, Straus and Girux, New York 2001]. On the same subject:

"Indeed she -the First Lady- imposed on the White House a regime of such austerity, of both food and drink, that there were several signs that the relatively abstemious F.D.R., let alone the indulgent Churchill, were more comfortable during her frequent absences… Franklin Roosevelt was known to mix his dry Martinis in proportions that sophisticated drinkers regarded as unfortunate… 'One-third vermouth and two-thirds gin'. Perhaps fortunately, Churchill did not drink gin, although it is possible that, such was his desire to be a good guest, he may have subordinated his tastes to participation in the cocktail ceremony. … The food in the White House was always better when Churchill was there and, of course, the wine flowed more freely.' " [Jenkins, Churchill,pp 672-673]

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to guitarbuddha

quote:

Thank goodness he was listened to at Gallipoli.


He wasn’t listened to about Gallipoli: that’s made very clear in the earlier part of Manchester’s biography; and also in Government memos that are now declassified, but which Churchill couldn’t adduce publicly in his own defence at the time, because they were secret.

What sunk the enterprise, in brief, was not the attack itself but the vacillating afterwards.

If one thing is overwhelmingly clear to me, it's that's Churchill was one of the few people not to blame. If Kitchener hadn't farted about promising the 29th Division and then taking it away again, if de Roebeck had more nerve, if Asquith had been decisive, if the Czar hadn't been such a dolt...

I’ve also read this latest volume, BTW, I thought it was a good job.

And now, back to our regular programming…

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 16:21:22
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to Gummy

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Several years ago I read Manchester's "Goodbye Darkness" .


Manchester's "Goodbye Darkness" is a fine memoir of his experiences as a marine in the Pacific, Gummy. He also wrote a very good biography of General Douglas MacArthur entitled, "American Caesar." Manchester portrays MacArthur in full, with all of his genius and his flaws.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 16:43:59
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

If one thing is overwhelmingly clear to me, it's that's Churchill was one of the few people not to blame. If Kitchener hadn't farted about promising the 29th Division and then taking it away again, if de Roebeck had more nerve, if Asquith had been decisive, if the Czar hadn't been such a dolt...


Spot on, Paul.

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 16:45:05
 
BarkellWH

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to gj Michelob

quote:

On a lighter note, I propose one detail which may tie the great Winston Churchill to Spain's traditions. This is from a [must read] article by Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt herself.


Mixing Winston Churchill and Eleanor Roosevelt at dinner parties was like mixing oil and water. Winston, a Tory, and Eleanor, a liberal ahead of her time even in the US, seldom agreed on anything. Winston dined at the White House during his Washington visit in January 1942, and Eleanor dined at No. 10 Downing during her London visit to assess the morale of US troops during the beginning of the buildup in October 1942. Manchester writes: "Of her dining experiences with Churchill, Mrs. Roosevelt later wrote, 'I found the P.M. not easy to talk to.'"

Cheers,

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

What would possibly compel me to accept without question your intellectual honesty ?

(if anyone else does then please tell me why).

D.
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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What would possibly compel me to accept without question your intellectual honesty ?


What you accept is your own business.

Were you always this rude, or did you practise?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 17:29:21
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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What would possibly compel me to accept without question your intellectual honesty ?


What you accept is your own business.

Were you always this rude, or did you practise?


Maybe for me it is a talent.

You clearly do practice.

And by the way history built on chains of contrafactuals is called Science Fiction.

Lest we forget, Russian won the war. And arrived on time.
D.

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2013 17:40:46
 
hamia

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to guitarbuddha

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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

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What would possibly compel me to accept without question your intellectual honesty ?


Were you always this rude, or did you practise?


Maybe for me it is a talent.






I suspect it's your only talent. Maybe you could upload some guitar playing to prove otherwise?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 10 2013 3:11:26
 
guitarbuddha

 

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RE: The Last Lion, Defender of the R... (in reply to hamia

Of course it is.

Why I can't play guitar at all. That must be obvious to anyone with a brain.

And I don't understand history. And I gladly capitulate to sophistry.

You Hamia obviously can do an won't.

D.

PS I know Bill but I dont know you or Paul much. I am however quite taken aback by the graciousness of your introductions.
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