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keith

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to C. Vega

damn it sr. vega, you have taken the mystery from those strads. i was hoping to write a book (and score big bucks) how mr. strad danced naked around a spruce tree under a full moon and then had his henchmen fell the tree and then used satanic rituals to make the wood an instrument of the devil. oh well, guess i better keep my day job
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estebanana

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to keith

Stewart Pollens book on Stradivari is one of the most up to date in this area of study:

http://www.stewartpollens.com/

And also the old standby Secrets of Stradivari by Simone F. Sacconi

Stewart Pollens actually mentions a Stradivari family notebook that was recorded sold to a collector directly from Stradivari's last surviving son. After that the trail goes cold. There is speculation about whether or not the notes were construction notes. But more of interest is the small trove of Stradivari's authentic patterns which has been known publically because they are housed in the City of Cremona and have been available to scholars to study.

The other thing to consider is that a lot of the information passed around during the 200 years time span that the Cremona Industry/School flourished was handed through families and teacher to apprentice by oral tradition. It was all in the air and not a secret at all.

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gj Michelob

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to estebanana

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he other thing to consider is that a lot of the information passed around during the 200 years time span that the Cremona Industry/School flourished was handed through families and teacher to apprentice by oral tradition. It was all in the air and not a secret at all.


Good point, Stephen. Strads are not unlike flamenco, all can study it, tab it, analyze it and dissect it... but only a few can actually play it.

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RibNibbler

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to gj Michelob

Stradivarius should have used alien stickers on his instruments. They make instruments sound better.

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estebanana

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to keith

There are a lot of misconceptions about Italian violin making. A lot of people think Stradivari innovated a flatter arched top; Gasparo da Salo and the Brescian school had used flatter arching, it was not a new idea, but the was the way in which Stradivari used it that made it work.

Violin innovation is closley linked to string making innovation. The higher arched models of the Amati's were designed to get the string in motion faster using the bow of the time period, because the gut strings of the late 1500's were not as good as later strings. As string making became better and better, scale lengths changed, composers wrote higher and higher on the fingerboard and arching became flatter. As the bass strings for the cello became over wound with fine wires, the scale length became shorter and enabled the composers to give it more intricate melodic lines.

The whole thing was driven by composers and string makers and the violin makers changed designs as string making technology improved gradually. Going from pure gut bass strings to overwound bass strings was something like the phenomena after WWII when guitar strings changed from gut to nylon. It changed the way the guitar was heard, built and played. These instruments are driven by string making technology.

There were no secrets, just techniques of that day. Most of the problems in understanding the working methods and order of assembly of Cremonese instruments has been solved by violin makers working today. A lot of the information which is claimed as lost can be reverse engineered by close observation and practice. The reason is was claimed "lost" is because the later commercial mass produced in instruments from Germany and France etc. did not use the Cremonese order of assembly or other methods used in Cremona and Italy prior to 1700. They still produced violins, and some good ones, but not the same style as the Cremonese who were the logical conclusion of 200 years of tradition, innovation and inquiry.

One of the other reasons the Cremona techniques were obscured is because later writers like The Hill Family and Ed Heron Allen, et al, wrote incorrectly about the Cremona school, it touched off a hundred years of myths that until the more accurate scholarship of the last 20 to 25 years were held as gospel. People that perpetuate the myth of secrets are just not up to date on the literature available now, but continue to discuss based on the 19th century observations.

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C. Vega

 

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RE: Strad's Secrets Exposed? (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Stewart Pollens book on Stradivari is one of the most up to date in this area of study:

http://www.stewartpollens.com/


Stephen makes some excellent points.

Pollens' book is a breath of fresh air. In writing it he slaughtered a number of cows that had been held sacred for many, many years and ruffled more than just a few feathers in the process.
A number of prominent dealers and other influential violin world big shots really got their shorts in a bunch when, several years before the book's publication, Pollens openly challenged (with a substantial amount of evidence to back up his claim) the authenticity of the Stradivari violin known as "Le Messie" (The Messiah). It raised some serious questions about their expertise.

Ed. Heron-Allen (1861-1943) was quite an interesting character. He was an English lawyer, writer, Persian scholar and friend of Oscar Wilde. He was also a chiromancer (palm reader) and wrote extensively on the subject.
He also wrote, along with numerous books and papers on many diverse subjects ranging from asparagus to zoology, a book on violin making that was first published in 1884 and is still in print. He reputedly made all of two violins in his lifetime.
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