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Ruphus

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Note of Theft 

QUOTE:

"Dear fellow guitarists,

I would like to notify everyone here that if you ever come across a Gary
Hearn guitar -Hauser copy- with African rosewood and cedar top, that this
guitar belongs to me and that it was stolen. The name of the maker is
clearly written inside the guitar "Gary Hearn 2011", but the thief might
have removed it. There is no number on the label because as Hearn said "this
guitar was unique, a one off copy" so probably no number was given to it. If
any of you know anything about this guitar, or you ever come across it, both
the police and I should be notified.
(If you Google, or YouTube my name you'll see both my website and contact
details.)

Here is my story of how this theft came to pass, and I hope that the "Acoustic Guitar " forum will support me in this my attempt to make readers and guitarists worldwide more aware of what is going on today in the marketplace, and to also to name and shame the crooks who have been implicated in this deceit. After all it is highly probable that in the future you will come across these guys yourselves! They are none other than the owner, (Jon Baldachin), the manager (Andrew Preston) and Steven Patterson, an employee or associate of the shop "Spanish guitar centre", or "London guitar centre" as you may know it. (I'll refer to it as SGC or LGC
from now on).
Incidentally, right now the shop has been closed and the scammers are trying
for dissolution of the company. All the guitar stock has been hidden by them
somewhere and they hope once they liquidate the company to start trading
again with their old stock and possibly even at the same premises!
What a sad, sad ending for the once famous and popular guitar centre started
by Len Williams the father of John Williams! What a disgrace! This should
never have happened but it did.

My story goes as follows:
About a year ago, around Xmas time 2011, I was visiting London and decided
to pop in the Spanish guitar centre to check on their stock of good quality
instruments. I started playing this Gary Hearn Hauser copy and was
immediately very impressed by its sound. It was expensive though, with a
price tag of £6,000. But I had an idea of trading in my good Richard Howell
guitar for this one and also paying the difference in cash. This is a
standard practice which I have used many times in the past. So I haggled
with S. Patterson right there and then, and we finally agreed on a figure of
£1,500 plus my 'Richard Howell' classical guitar as part exchange.
Since my guitar was in Greece it was agreed that after payment I would first
post him my own guitar and that then he would send me my Gary Hearn guitar.
I (unfortunately) trusted the shop because I had bought many guitars from
them in the past and had even worked there for a spell as a guitar teacher.
The very next day, I wired £1500 electronically into an account I was given,
in the name of S. Patterson. (It never occurred to me to query why the name
of this account was not that of the SGC or LGC. But since the deal had been
concluded on their premises I felt it was OK to proceed. On hindsight, I
suspect that they probably wanted to avoid paying VAT)
As soon as I arrived in Athens, on the first days of January, I shipped my
own Howell guitar to the London-Spanish- guitar centre. Unfortunately, the
UK will not accept insured parcels over £600, so my guitar was shipped
without insurance, but by recorded delivery, a tracking number, and in a
hard case externally protected by bubble wrap.
One week later I received an email from Patterson, informing me that my
guitar had arrived damaged.
He included a picture in the email which showed the bottom of my guitar with
a hole in it.
Apparently even though the hard case and the bubble wrap were completely
undamaged, the guitar had been broken inside. The courier who delivered the
parcel did not mention anything about the parcel having been damaged in any
way, as is their custom. Patterson explained to me later, over the phone,
that the parcel had not been opened by anyone in the shop in front of the
parcel force courier to verify that the item was indeed intact, and there
was no note included by "parcel force" to say that the guitar had been
damaged in any way while in transit. Because of such negligence it was then
not possible to then claim anything from the postal service. I now strongly
suspect my Howell guitar was smashed on purpose, by allowing it to fall onto
to a hard floor, in order to then get more money out of me)
I rang Patterson, very upset of course, and as a show of good will asked him
how much more would he want for the new guitar, to conclude this deal. He
asked for £1500 pounds more and on the very same day, I wired him the
additional funds electronically. So, for this £6,000 guitar , I had traded
in my own Richard Howell (damaged) guitar, and also paid in cash an
additional £3000 in total, in two lots of payments of £1,500 pounds each
time, wired electronically.
I waited for my new guitar to arrive, and after one week had passed I
emailed Mr. Patterson asking for the tracking number of the guitar.
From now on my story will begin to sound like some nightmare out of a
science fiction novel.
I received this incredible email from the shop manager, Andrew Preston with
this story:
-----------
"Hi Byron - Patterson had packed the guitar he sold you and left it for
courier collection.
Unfortunately he was not here on the day after packing, and the box was
wrongly assumed to have rubbish in it because of the packing all around the
case inside and no outside marking, and it got put out and collected by
Westminster Council; we are now dealing with them to try to get the package
back.
If this fails, you will have to be refunded and the deal you did with Steve
cancelled.
We are still working on the repair of your Howell guitar which you sent and
got damaged in transit.
All in all not a very successful transaction so far I'm afraid.
Our apologies for this situation on behalf of ourselves and Steve, and I
will keep you posted on progress this end."
-----
I can't describe the shock and horror I felt when I received this email. It
was the most unbelievable story I had ever heard!
I pointed out that a contract had already been made and paid for, that I had
already paid for the new Gary Hearn guitar and that I did not wish to cancel
the deal. The London-Spanish guitar centre was fully responsible for the
loss of this my new guitar and that they should either refund me the full
value of the guitar , or pay the guitar maker Gary Hearn immediately to make
me an identical new guitar.
The manager then said that the owner of the shop, Jon Baldachin, would
contact me but, he would not give me his phone number so that I could
contact him directly. In fact the owner did not contact me at all.
Eventually searching all over the internet I found his
phone number and I contacted him instead. I asked him to honor the contract.
He replied stating that they would replace the instrument with an exact copy
by G. Hearn, once the insurance money was paid to them. I waited and waited.
It was difficult to do anything else since I currently live and work in
Greece.
Gary Hearn indeed was contacted by the LGC and bought all the materials
needed and sent the shop an invoice for the initial down payment, as is
customary, and so we both waited and waited for the shop to pay up so that
Gary could start building my guitar. After all they already had my own money
in cash in their account. I rang the shop numerous times and all I got was
conflicting stories and promises such as: the money had been paid into the
guitar maker's account, the cheque had bounced because there was a problem
with the overdraft facility, they were waiting for the insurance claim to be
accepted. etc etc

I rang Baldachin and pointed out to him that he already had my £3,000 and
that he should pay Gary Hearn immediately so that he can begin on my new
guitar and that I shouldn't have to wait for the outcome of his insurance
claim at all. Whether the insurance would pay him or not was not my problem
at all but his! He avoided the issue, tried to shirk responsibility by
saying that I should speak to the shop manager instead. When I pressed him,
because all the stories were inconsistent, i.e. one said the insurance will
pay, the other said that they were going to pay the maker directly but their
bank overdraft facility was the problem, John Baldachin hung up on me!
Gary Hearn bought the materials for the new guitar out of his own pocket but
was never paid anything!
In April I received an email from Baldachin saying that the insurance money
had finally sent them a cheque and that Gary would get paid and so I would
have my guitar. It was all lies, and more deceitful behaviour. Again no
money was paid to G. Hearn, so I rang Baldachin but once again he hung up on
me.

So I finally decided that enough is enough and so I took the Spanish-
London- guitar centre to court, through "money claim on line". They had
taken my £3,000 cash, my Howell guitar, they had been refunded by their
insurance company and still they didn't pay me or replace the lost (stolen)
guitar.
In fact they didn't care. What I didn't know at the time was that they were
bankrupt!
Within a short period I got a judgment (CCJ) against them. I then contacted
a firm of bailiffs (The Sheriffs Office) to get my money back. They dragged
their feet. (Unfortunately they are an incompetent team of amateurs, and I
suspect that they might have even been paid off), and by the time they tried
to enter the premises of the SGC the shop had closed. The SGC was bankrupt.
Apparently, as the bailiffs said, another team of bailiffs had already
entered the premises before them, but had found nothing there!

So obviously all the stock of the LGC has been hidden somewhere and these
crooks hope to resell it in their new shop and company sometime in the
future after the present company is dissolved. Myself and others as
creditors have stopped this dissolution from going ahead until June. If you
know anything about where the stock is or any helpful information please get
in touch with me.

I hope this story serves as a warning to all of you fellow guitarists, and I
hope that if someone hears anything about my Gary Hearn guitar that you'll
be kind enough to contact me.
Thanks for your time

Byron Zeliotis"
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 16:58:42
 
tele

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Sorry that one's guitar got stolen but that's just too much text to read about it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 20:10:32
 
rogeliocan

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to tele

It's actually quite short, it is just translated in 15 languages.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 20:42:09
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

wow...bad news. I hope it shows up somewhere. I think its time to invent a kind of GPS trackable chip that doesn't use much energy, is small and sends maybe twice a day at specific time points a signal that you can localize...... a chip you could put to the inside of an expensive guitar behind a stick or so. I though about that often..also when my notebook was stolen in past..... that really sucks. Good luck for finding that guitar! What up with some photos? Its indeed too much text.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 21:46:54
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to tele

quote:

ORIGINAL: tele

Sorry that one's guitar got stolen but that's just too much text to read about it.


Tell that to the person who had to undergo all that.
Not that accidents would matter only when they concern you?
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I think it of sense if the description gets spread as much as possible, just in case that the guitar could be tracked down some day to make up a bit for the poor guy´s losses.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 21:49:59
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Hey Doit,

I think to recall discussions among rather tech versed fellows about such options.
Quintessense seemed to be the issue of power. Suggestions were made for feeding through pick-up batteries, countered by suggestions according to which thieves would certainly be taking out those batteries anyway, followed by inputs that suggested another hidden accu that be fed by said battery.

Guess there will be chips some time that can do for years with watch batteries.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 22:00:47
 
bursche

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Holy cow this reads like one of the countless reports about the nigerian scams taking place these days. So you say they used to be a reliable seller?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 19 2013 23:59:16
 
El Kiko

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Wow .. this is quite some post , and some story ... it seems to me that you are a very quiet kind of guy .. dont rock the boat and we will sort you out , kind of guy ...which is possibly to your detriment in this case ..
some phrases is particular get to me ... like ...from the letter you quoted ....

'''Unfortunately he was not here on the day after packing, and the box was
wrongly assumed to have rubbish''


and that is my problem because ??/?...no its not my problem ...
also

''if this fails, you will have to be refunded and the deal you did with Steve
cancelled''


..if this fails , i am already in contact with consumer advisers , and a solicitor will be sending you a letter very soon .

the big one .. although now it is too late is the threat of public expose .. take the whole thing to the local or national press ' they love this kind of thing ' if you can get it in the telly ....thats good leverage .. even if its old news you can still get something just by the threat alone ...so long as its real ....

I know there was a liquidation thing happening but by law , and you can still use this , if they really went bust and you cannot claim even through their own insurance , then that named person is not allowed to trade ... under any name for a specified number of years ...

I suppose i get a lot of this cos my wife worked in consumer advice.. and she knows what threats can work or not .....
and having , who said what .. all down on paper is a good thing...really .....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 1:15:50
 
Chilli Fingers

 

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

This does sound like a nightmare. However I dont see why you would post personal and pending legal issues on an internet forum. We heard one side of a story but nothing from the other party. What we have read is heresay. What do you want this forum to do with this information?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 4:13:55
 
timoteo

 

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Doitsujin

An RFID tag could easily be built into a new guitar, or installed in an old guitar without compromising the sound, structure or appearance. These tags come in a variety of forms - one is a small capsule about the size of a grain of rice, which is commonly implanted in pets. If built into the guitar, (say on the neck underneath the fingerboard, or in the heel) it couldn't be removed without major work, and wouldn't be visible.

Reputable dealers would then be able to wirelessly scan the guitar for identification. RFID readers are inexpensive, and the tags themselves are only a few cents each.

RFID is passive. It requires no power, and it does not send out a signal - you have to scan the guitar to detect it and read out any information stored on the tag (like the owner's name and contact information).You wouldn't be able to geolocate a missing guitar, but it might make it pretty hard to resell an expensive instrument if this became an accepted practice.

It would also serve as a good way of authenticating older instruments, since the maker or an expert authenticator could digitally sign the data on the RFID (this is done on passports, for instance), which prevents forging the tag or altering its contents.

The biggest challenge might be to convince luthiers to incorporate this bit of technology into their beautiful hand made instruments.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 4:52:07
 
Leñador

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Does it have GPS?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 5:40:21
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Chilli Fingers

Kiko,

Just to clarify the scammed person is not me.
I only copied his post from AG forum, hoping to support his case.
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chilli Fingers

What do you want this forum to do with this information?


quote:

I think it of sense if the description gets spread as much as possible, just in case that the guitar could be tracked down some day to make up a bit for the poor guy´s losses.


Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 8:12:39
 
Ricardo

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Chilli Fingers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chilli Fingers

This does sound like a nightmare. However I dont see why you would post personal and pending legal issues on an internet forum. We heard one side of a story but nothing from the other party. What we have read is heresay. What do you want this forum to do with this information?


Exactly my thoughts. Put on facebook and network your friends not a public forum. My first devil advocate thought was the buyer sent a damaged guitar....other wise why so quickly pay the extra money? Don't make sense IMO. but if company is bust I have heard of such scams...once bankrupt you lose, you can't get your money. Sucks when its people you know and trust. But again this info is private. If they unloaded the guitar on say a pro guitarist that payed hard earned money...what you gonna do? Pry if from his hands on stage?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 9:54:23
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

If they unloaded the guitar on say a pro guitarist that payed hard earned money...what you gonna do? Pry if from his hands on stage?


True. I hadn´t thought to there.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 12:45:50
 
britguy

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

. I think its time to invent a kind of GPS trackable chip that doesn't use much energy, is small and sends maybe twice a day at specific time points a signal that you can localize...... a chip you could put to the inside of an expensive guitar behind a stick or so. I though about that often..also when my notebook was stolen in past


Jesus, Doit. That's a pretty smart idea.

You're not as dumb as you pretend. . .

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 14:03:10
 
pbekkerh

 

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

If they unloaded the guitar on say a pro guitarist that payed hard earned money...what you gonna do? Pry if from his hands on stage?


In many countries the stolen item belongs to the original owner, even if the new owner paid for it. And the new owner even has to prove that he didn't steal it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 14:38:38
 
El Kiko

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to pbekkerh

quote:

Pry if from his hands on stage?

if it were my guitar ... no problems with that one .......or if he was playing nice , might have a listen then pry it ...

or wait until just before the final dramatic resolution chord...that would be the best time ...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 14:42:14
 
Leñador

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Yup, we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way.
Either way I go home with my guitar and maybe your shoes too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 16:09:15
 
Ricardo

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to pbekkerh

quote:

ORIGINAL: pbekkerh

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

If they unloaded the guitar on say a pro guitarist that payed hard earned money...what you gonna do? Pry if from his hands on stage?


In many countries the stolen item belongs to the original owner, even if the new owner paid for it. And the new owner even has to prove that he didn't steal it.



Say the pro guy paid $6000 for it. It ain't "his"? Sure it is. Now the guy looking for it only paid half for it PLUS a broken guitar which it's unprovable to claim he did NOT send it broken unless he had before and after pictures with proof of date (few times I shipped a guitar I took pics as it goes in the box) Like rumba king filming his box getting opened was very smart thing to do.

Anyway, the maker STILL didn't get paid as I understand it. If the guitar gets snagged it should go to the MAKER...the other two guys are up shyte creek because the bankrupt company screwed them both and though they would "win" a case in court perhaps if they proove enough about their loses, they still loose the money they spent. Then there is the broken guitar that the guy in the letter deserves to get returned if it ever pops up.

Pretty ugly scenario this type of thing is. But it's always a gamble people involved should understand this. WHen I traded a guitar once I had my fingers crossed the entire time know full well how easily I could get screwed. Luckily my guitars are protected by voodoo as I said earlier regarding insurance. I have some great stories about that.

Ricardo

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 19:41:10
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

If the harmed person has been telling the truth then you to my taste are much too easily giving away his concerns.

You would reward the luthier in the first place eventhough the man has only spent for materials, and which he will foresseingly have used up in his shop anyway.
Next you play down that his traded in guitar, which apparently was an expensive one too, traded in used for 4500 pounds still.

Finally, I appreciate a basic of law that returns the guitar to the owner and entitles the second voctim to sue the scumers for compensation, provided he bought the goods as regular ware / not as fencing.

Familiar with real life I wouldn´t want to live under Justitia of such kind of bandaged eye, Ricardo.

I wished to see more of both in courts: Of actual matter-of-factness, and of empirical wisdom.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 20:21:10
 
El Kiko

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ricardo

Now this would make a real good watchable case for JUDGE JUDY ....!! all those in favor say AYE !!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 21:03:56
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

Well if your apartment is not lock picked when you are away....how on earth...is it possible to get a 6000$ guitar stolen without any dead people or at least some broken bones? My guitars are always close to me within my sight. If anybody I don´t know tries to touch..he loses his hand instantly..thats for sure...so how did that work?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2013 22:42:00
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to pbekkerh

quote:

ORIGINAL: pbekkerh

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

If they unloaded the guitar on say a pro guitarist that payed hard earned money...what you gonna do? Pry if from his hands on stage?


In many countries the stolen item belongs to the original owner, even if the new owner paid for it. And the new owner even has to prove that he didn't steal it.



We can't rule out this guitar was used in a similar scam before...in that case (according to above quote) the guy who trade his guitar and an additional 3000,- basically is in the same position as that innocent player on the stage. Don't think he will find that acceptable......it's a sad story in all variations.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2013 1:56:33
 
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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

My guitars are always close to me within my sight. If anybody I don´t know tries to touch..he loses his hand instantly..thats for sure...


Doitsujin scuba diving

EDIT: This foto was taken while Doitsujin was looking for Nemo. This is his favourite guitar. His other guitars were being guarded by the Little Mermaid.



And yes, I'm a MS Paint master.

Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2013 2:16:39
 
Ricardo

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

You would reward the luthier in the first place eventhough the man has only spent for materials, and which he will foresseingly have used up in his shop anyway.


That doesn't change the fact he was the ORIGINAL owner that did not get paid in the first place. The second party deserves to sue for the $3000 funds plus reclaim his original instrument, suing for additional damages assumed caused by company. (with burden of proof). Next, the 3rd party in actual possession of the Luthier's guitar, yes loses it and must sue the company also.

After that, the luthier, who wanted to sell the guitar anyway to the second party can then send to him with no middle man, in exchange for cost of materials...if that be the true price Luthier needed, which I also find suspect. (never heard of luthier charging only cost of material for a handcrafted master guitar). Unless I have read the story wrong, luthier would be the FIRST victim of the scam, expecting to be paid for his instrument, the middle man company supposedly taking a "cut" or percentage of the full price for finding a buyer.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much anyone sues the company for, could be the guitar sold already several times, totaling $50,000 plus lawyer fees or private investigation etc ... because the company bankrupted legally (I assume they didn't literally disappear without filing), NO BODY GETS ANY $. So WHO gets the guitar when found? I can't see why it would not be the original owner/builder who never was paid in the first place. Would be ethical for him to make a deal with one of the poor guys that lost money since he doesn't actually want to keep the guitar.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2013 8:04:46
 
Ruphus

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

Ricardo,

The luthier was only not paid initial down payment for materials. ( The rest meant to be paid by the shop on delivery of the new replacement guitar.)

But I get now where you are coming from and see that we are meaning same principles.


quote:

ORIGINAL: FredGuitarraOle

Doitsujin scuba diving

EDIT: This foto was taken while Doitsujin was looking for Nemo. This is his favourite guitar. His other guitars were being guarded by the Little Mermaid.



Finally an explanation for Conde´s orange, as contrast to deep blue.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2013 9:03:31
 
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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

quote:

Doitsujin scuba diving

EDIT: This foto was taken while Doitsujin was looking for Nemo. This is his favourite guitar. His other guitars were being guarded by the Little Mermaid.


hahhaha awesome!! :)) But why underwater? Thats so odd...... I really love it.. :)))

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Doitsujin

LOL i failed. Ignore this post.

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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

hahhaha awesome!! :)) But why underwater? Thats so odd...... I really love it.. :)))

Well, you said your guitars are always close to you and within your sight. This photo was just to prove to the foro that you really mean what you say.
If you go underwater, your guitar comes with you! Along with the butchers knife to cut the hands off anybody who tries to touch your beloved guitar!
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RE: Note of Theft (in reply to FredGuitarraOle





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