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Bulerias2005

 

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to suniram

I love modern flamenco, probably because I am very involved in jazz and Brazilian music and understand where the influences of young flamencos are coming from. However, Paseo de Gracia in my opinion borders more on pop because of how light the playing is and due to the number of rumbas. Musically it seems pretty tame as well.

I doubt many people would argue that Un Momento en el Sonido is a "traditional" flamenco record, but I absolutely love the mix of modernity and tradition. Same with guys like Antonio Rey and Jose Manuel Leon. Paseo de Gracia just wasn't very musically interesting IMO.

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estebanana

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to suniram

Can hardly stand to listen to either Sabicas or Vicente Amigo or much of Paco for that matter. Sabicas did not record enough with singers and I prefer Nino Ricardo, which I know is not fashionable today. I also prefer Melchor or Perico del Lunar, Escudero over Vicente Amigo Sabicas. To me there is something really square about Sabicas' music, and something about Vicente that grates at me. None of it has to do with modern changes or oldness. I just don't gravitate to them.

I guess my point is that I look at it as a big arch, some old playing I like and some I dislike. Some modern playing I like and a lot I dislike. There are things about people and how they make art that go past time period, genre and style. There are connections between artists that on the surface do not seem to be connected and could not even have lived the same time period. It's possible they never met.

Why do I relate Nino Ricardo to Caravaggio? Or Sabicas to Velasquez? Why does Carlos Montoya and Leroy Neiman seem to make perfect match?

I'm so weary of the old old vs, new battle, it's dumb making, retarded, belabored.

Hemingway and Paco Cepero speak the same language, why is it so hard to see that? Luis Zambo and Botero are the same guy. Pedro Bacan and Leonard Bernstein are pals.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2012 23:02:29
 
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to estebanana

Paco de Lucia is David Carradine by the way.

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to estebanana

quote:

Hemingway and Paco Cepero speak the same language


Perfect, Stephen! I love them both. Your metaphor of a "big arch" is apt. I still love reading Hemingway, just as I love reading Italo Calvino (mentioned in my previous post), as different as they are. And Paco Cepero? for flamenco, I would rather listen to Paco Cepero accompanying Santiago Donday than the "young guns" of "modern flamenco" influenced by jazz and Brazilian, although I love jazz and Brazilian music as genres in themselves. I just don't think much of them when they are fused with flamenco and still called flamenco. The hybrid just doesn't appeal to me as flamenco, although I may like the music for what it is (a hybrid). Much of this is determined by individual taste; less so by openness or understanding evolution of the genre, as important as they may be.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 18 2012 23:36:04
 
estebanana

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Bulerias2005

I like the saying, ~ Flamenco gives, but it does not take ~ To say yes it works to influence lots of music, but once done it don't feel like flamenco anymore.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 19 2012 0:11:55
 
estebanana

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to XXX

quote:

aco de Lucia is David Carradine by the way.


Yes grasshopper.

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srshea

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to estebanana

Cepero's a lot funnier than Hemingway. But I do like this inter-disciplinary, cross-comparative approach and play that game in my head a lot.
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ

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you mustn't forget that despite it's poppyness, he made this album a fantastic pure flamenco experience live on stage...


Oh, I totally agree. In fact, I wish the original album sounded like the more flamenco live performances. Even a "live" album of one of those performances would be better. But then you likely wouldn't have all of the guest artists the record company wanted, so perhaps that's the problem.
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Ramirez

 

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to machopicasso

I love Vicente's playing. I felt the last album was a bit over produced, the guitar a little too smooth. I'd love to hear him strip it all back a little. For instance, take a look at the clip of him playing below, away from the slick production, his playing takes on a completely different aspect...

His tone, attack and authority on the instrument are all pretty sublime:



And, again:


				  
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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I like the saying, ~ Flamenco gives, but it does not take ~ To say yes it works to influence lots of music, but once done it don't feel like flamenco anymore.


Ida y vuelta????

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Luka

 

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Bulerias2005

There's an amazing buleria on Paseo De Gracia with really cool falsetas and great cante. Tango is also very nice. I think if you look behind all that production, you can find some really amazing stuff...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 21 2012 18:36:16
 
Munin

 

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Bulerias2005

Apparently Vicente's new album was done by the producer of Dire Straits. Judge that information however you like. I think some of the "pop schlock" haters here are going to have a hyperglycemic seizure.
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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: new vicente amigo album by octob... (in reply to Bulerias2005

elevator music or elevating music....that's the question
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