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RE: [HELP+ASK] i want to learn flamenco but i know nothing about guitar, is it possible?
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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 RE: [HELP+ASK] i want to learn flame... (in reply to qzack)
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I dont understand why you are letting ,,'what other people think' or want to change your life so much ....
Right where I live there are no other flamencos , no where to play or anything ,, but I just keep on doing it , and I dont really give a Fart what others think or not ,
If I didnt do it \I would regret it for ever , if one day I get a gig , well good , if not , welll good ,,, I do it because I want to .......
I put stuff on my YOUTube Channel (look if you wish ) and get a reply now and then ,..and I am here on this site with my freinds , who I have never met , and yet feel at home . .any way if you want to do it , then do it .....thats pretty much it ............lots of people here will hepl guide you even though we are far from each other ........
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Date Jun. 3 2012 10:04:22
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: [HELP+ASK] i want to learn flame... (in reply to Munin)
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Paco Pena went to HK too a few weeks ago also and I live there. But you can still count the people involved in flamenco here on one hand. These kinds of occasional shows really don't say much about a country's affinity for flamenco. People went to the Pena show because it was advertised as a major cultural event. They will go there and appreciate it but once they get home they will already have forgotten about it. There is a difference between visiting some one-off cultural event that looks interesting and then going on with your regular life afterwards and having an actual, deep passion for something.
Japan is of course another matter.
...ok...so you advertise your next show or even as a major cultural event...yes you wont have the same money to reach the same amount of people but work with what u have, make a good press release that captivates interest of the media and score a lot of free publicity that way...u have to be creative, most important u need a positive and can do attitude... if people will read an article about the show...or see you on tv or something all the sudden you have a better chance of selling more tickets
...on paper the show the act is however good you say it is.....I am not saying plain out lie but think creatively... sell it...focus on the good, tell them why flamenco relates to any person in the world regardless of language or nationality...speaks and expresses in a language the knows no culture barriers.. and try to make it interesting or informative, educational...almost like an already written article..
IMO theres no country in the world where flamenco wont work, in fact forget flamenco....(think of all the crap artsy fartsy productions that say nothing... noone understands but go to it cause they in a big theater and advertised etc..as far as i am concerned flamenco deserves that and more ...so that's what drives me...if crap will work...flamenco will...if dosent is just cause they don't know it yet...i will shove it down their throats till it does)...just need to believe in your art, in flamenco (it sells itself)...think outside the box and don't wait or hope for someone else to create a scene for you..
i have done a lot of my own shows, flew in a lot of flamenco dancers/singers etc from all parts of Australia, ... created a lot of good opportunities for myself and others ...i realized i was never gonna get the ones i want unless i took control of it  never gonna get the scene i want unless i push for what i want
if a place has a good flamenco scene is not cause its a better place for flamenco...its cause someone just like you or me pushed it...refused to accept the situation, i honestly believe this....it really does work...I live in one of the smallest major cities in Australia...theres no more or less natural affinity for flamenco here than anywhere else in the world...it started out with one school, one guitarist once upon a time...now theres about 6 schools, and around 20 locally produced bigger flamenco shows a year ...not counting the 2 regular weekly flamenco gigs in 2 bars and appearances in festivals or shows from Spain visiting..
the general Australian public dosent know any more about flamenco than any Singaporean or Chinese member of the general public
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Date Jun. 3 2012 15:56:51
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: [HELP+ASK] i want to learn flame... (in reply to Munin)
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ORIGINAL: Munin
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so flamenco is an oral and practical tradition instead of theoritical-emphasized subject isnt it?
That is true, however people commonly misinterpret that as "you can do whatever the **** you want and call it flamenco".
That's true. THe main point is that the guitar of course crosses many different genres, and despite what friends and others might tell about it, each genre has it's own discpline and path to learning. For example pop rock, after you get past tuning and chords, or learning complete songs and guitar solos from tabs, you must find a drummer and "jam" to get a sense of timing. Later a band might form where covers and original music can be explored.
Jazz requires chart reading and/or memorizing standards...later theory is studied to some degree so one can improvise over a chart of a structured song...improvsing both melodically and accompaniments (comping chords it's called). Later the rhythm is explored with drummers again but the idea is to develop swing and phrasing...all based on charts and standards. A good example of a song form learned and jammed on by both rock and jazz musicians is the Blues. And the Blues in and of it's self is a genre where again, you have a unique discipline and playing with other musicians to develop the rhythmic taste.
Classical music is approached differently. A focus on technique at first with emphasis on note and sight reading music in the direction of easy to graduating difficulty. The only time rhythmic feel becomes important is when playing in ensemble, where instead of a drummer you have a conductor or some other method for understanding timing properly. Theory is not so important as in jazz as improvistion and composition are not so important as interpretation. Theory is mainly used for analysis of styles and song forms to be interpreted.
Flamenco is also technique based as in classical but despite some similarities such as scales and arpegio, MOST of the techniques are different. ANd also a big difference is that more like jazz or blues, song FORMS are the basis. INstead of notes and tabs or gradutating pieces, FALSETAS are learned and rhythmic patterns that define the song forms structure. THe structure is more like blues in a sense than jazz standards where complete songs are charted. Instead the song forms allow endless development both in terms of interpretation of classics, improvisations, AND composition. The rhythmic concepts here are learned not with drummers, but rather in the role of accompaniments for singers and dancers. THe "standards" are learned in those contexts mainly and the appropriate swing or feel of different styles are developed that way.
So you can see with such a range, it does not make sense really to develop from the begining, the wrong discipline for a certain genre. Just get off on the right track from the begining or there will be odd difficulties and the process of "unlearning" certain habits and concepts will be more difficult.
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