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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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Oh, I would have loved to see Annie Lennox. Is she from Newtonhill? (Sexy thing she is) Maybe I should watch some more telly
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Date Jul. 2 2005 20:22:36
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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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I actually saw the Who, and found that they did very well. Pete Townsend still move around the stage like a 17 years old wannabe. This I like.
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Date Jul. 3 2005 8:50:06
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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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She was in Hyde park but thats just Madonna I did note however that she seriously rehearsed her spot - many others didn't take it that seriously. I thought worse for Madonna was when the BBC presenter inferred LiveAid had launched her career to her face - even if true in pretty bad taste . But at the end of the day it is the ???? millions expressing there support and not the few on the stage that count. Many of the millions probably vote but I doubt many artists are even in the right country at the right time - even if they wanted to. (except Bob of course ). Love him to bits - even his "I don't like Mondays"
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Date Jul. 3 2005 10:28:41
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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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Just went to the shop in the middle of the village and saw a circle of people (poss 150 – it’s a small village), hand in hand, around the church, in the name of Live 8. I suggested to a villager that no matter how tightly they squeezed hands and prayed they would never get it to lift off the ground. He suggested I should join in but I have no time for religions of any flavour (just stating my view, I’m tolerant so I leave others to their views, but it is relevant here) How was this futile pursuit going to feed Africa, or improve their lot? Then while thinking what if anything practical could be done, remembering the explorer Ridgeway who said he had seen no problem on earth that couldn’t be resolved by halving the population, thinking that soon there will be no lions or leopards in the wild, and the RCs breeding policy, and ….. I thought about Flamenco – back on track – the issues in flamenco seem to relate to life, today, the planet, the soil, the crop, the pain, ….. Things personal. Things of this life and not some magical afterlife. Am I right or is my view of Flamenco too limited? Have I hit why I can relate to Flamenco? Meanwhile the church has not moved anymore than it had done in the last 9 centuries But seriously does flamenco lack spiritualism beyond that of its’ own soul?
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Date Jul. 3 2005 12:18:46
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Kate
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RE: Africa (and non-musical families!) (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)
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Ron you are absolutely right about Africa but this was not simply about helping a poor continent but about raising political awareness, about telling our leaders that we are not satisifed with what they are doing. 20 years ago a load of money was raised but it was only a band aid and did nothing to solve the longterm problem. This was about addressing the root of it, the political problem by telling our leaders we know that there are solutions and we expect them to be implemented. Drugs should be made available and affordable. Water should be for the people and not crops to feed the western world. This was not a charity, raising money for poor Africa but a protest that we are not doing all we can and all we should. I remember back when we protested against apartheid, and we boycotted South African produce. We were told this was making things worse for them, and was ineffective, by our leader at the time, she was wrong and when it was all over we were thanked by black south africans for caring, for making a difference, for taking a stand against something we found unacceptable. Big changes are possible, even though politicians dont think so, because they cannot see beyond their own fragile poitical careers and agendas. I dont know how many people signed the petition in the end, and haven't been able to find it in any of the sunday online papers either which seemed strange as that was what the concerts were all about. As a protest and conciousness raising exercise what more can we do. This is better than the anti globalisation protests that end in riots and with protestors being labeled anarchists and trouble makers with no idea of reality. This was a civilised and commercially viable protest. I do not think it's purpose was to help Africa in any way other than highlighting how little we are helping Africa and how little needs to be done to start making a difference and its not money nor music so much as politics that will make the difference. I for one was heartened by the collective efforts of Bob Geldof, the music community and the massive response from music fans to take a political stance, even if some were there just for the free entertainment. Kate
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Date Jul. 3 2005 15:11:36
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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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Kate, That was Tom's post, not mine.....but I have to agree with Tom here. It's a massively difficult situation... absolutely massive. I'm afraid I too am cynical about the outcome of Live-8. The G8 leaders, will take note and like all professional politicians, will make a well thought out gesture to appease the protestors, but will not significantly change their World view IMO. Trade with China will be much higher on the agenda I reckon. Throwing money at African countries will not solve anything just on it's own. Give Zimbabwe or Sudan a heap of money and just watch what it gets spent on. Investment would have to be coupled with regime change...and that is illegal under International law. Close management of the money or debt relief would be incredibly complex, requiring a sort of "shadow" Government for each of those countries based in New York or London or Paris etc. It's depressing I know, but these G8 leaders can hardly deal with running their own countries, even worse when trying to reach agreement on Europe....they are hardly likely to be able to change a whole continent from the ground up. Really, at the moment, the Aid Agencies are the only folk who can slip under the net and provide help to individuals using their own financial resources and maintain a low enough profile, not to irritate the respective so called Governments too much. Sure, there are a lot of small things that could be done here and there as you suggest, like medicine and uncontaminated water etc, but hand the money to central government and these things won't get done IMO. Sorry to be a downer Kate, I wish I didn't feel so negative about it. Ron
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Date Jul. 3 2005 17:24:57
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RE: Africa (in reply to flyeogh)
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Or, as the African chief proudly proclaimed, when informed his nation was now a member of the British Empire : "This Queen Victoria is a very good man!" Jim Morris.
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Date Jul. 4 2005 9:08:31
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Kate
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RE: Africa (in reply to Guest)
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ORIGINAL: Guest Just went to the shop in the middle of the village and saw a circle of people (poss 150 – it’s a small village), hand in hand, around the church, in the name of Live 8. I suggested to a villager that no matter how tightly they squeezed hands and prayed they would never get it to lift off the ground. Hello guest, I laughed out loud at his post, particularly as there are some members of my family I could imagine doing just this. I'm reading a wonderful book at the moment " The Poisonwood Bible" about American missionaries in the Belgium Conga at the time of independance. In the same way as your post it is funny yet tragic. To return to flamenco, there are American missionaries here who are converting Gypsies and instructing them to give up flamenco as if it were some pagan ritual that offends God. I find flamenco very spiritual, pain and redemption, suffering and love. There are an abundance of religious letras as well. I learnt a fandango which went something along these lines " Me ma're iba a morir, porque se puso muy enferma, todos los dias me fui a la iglesia, para suplicar a Jesus que mi ma're no se muere" . During a rehearsal a young boy was singing this and the other singers were shouting out jaleos, which seemed almost contrary to the song, being so happy and exuberent. I fell about laughing when at the end of the first line over the pained voice of the singer mourning his mother's illness came a jubilant jaleo "Viva tu ma're" They had no idea why I found it so funny but I did, the irony of juxtaposition I suppose. Kate
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Date Jul. 4 2005 11:34:13
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RE: Africa (in reply to Kate)
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To return to flamenco, there are American missionaries here who are converting Gypsies and instructing them to give up flamenco as if it were some pagan ritual that offends God. I find flamenco very spiritual, pain and redemption, suffering and love. There are an abundance of religious letras as well. I once had a girlfriend who had been a missionary nun in Africa. She taught me (almost) all I know about oral sex. Apparently, "real" sex is a mortal sin, but the male missionaries have this problem....... People are all the same: problems arise when they come together in groups or nations. Self interest is all. The Farruquito trial here is a good example: his mother appeared on TV to say that her son should be pardoned, because he has suffered already and gitanos suffer more than payos. I imagine that the widow of his victim has another opinion. Truth really does not exist: all depends on your point of view. Sean
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Date Jul. 4 2005 13:49:02
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