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Gimar Yestra

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pegs

I did a quick search but I couldn't find the answer I hoping to get.

I know viola pegs are prefered, but they sell pegs in alot of different diameters, the smallest (i could find) is around 8.8 mm mm thick and the turning knob, are these the prefered once, or should I look for even smaller ones?

also anyone have any experience with different materials? ebony, rosewood, boxwood??

I wont use rosewood pegs bacause I dont like the look of indian rosewood, so its either ebony or boxwood for me, I like the boxwood pegs look, and they had a great deal at the ''companywhosnamewecannotpost '' for 0.70 eurocents each

http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product/280553/Pegs-A-quality-Boxwood.htm

also they dont realy specify the degree of taper, so I have no idea wich reamer to buy with the pegs, ig uess I'll email the company and ask.

also what about peg shavers, do I realy need one, i mean i might need one in the long run, but i dont have the money at the moment :(

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2011 21:44:11

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

im guessing its best to buy a peg shaver aswell

http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product/730102/Herdim-Peg-Shaper-violinviola-standard.htm

anyone have any experience with this one??
its the most affordable since I also need to invest in a quality reamer, also this way I can match the peg to the reamed hole.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2011 22:12:19

Andy Culpepper

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

the taper is usually 1:30.
You will need a shaver to get the pegs round and take them down to the thickness you want at the end (about 7 mm usually)
This is the kind of shaver I would recommend, not sure where it's available in Europe

http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=Specialty+Tools&NameProdHeader=PegShaver%2C+Adjustable

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2011 23:03:15

Samarto

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

I agree with Andy on the adjustable shaver. I use this very one and it is great. You can size the pegs from cello size to 1/2 size violin. 1:30 is my favorite. I make my own pegs for cejillas and have gone to very hard woods all local. I am now making a set of flamenco guitar pegs from Oregon Manzanita all with hand tools. Oregon Manzanita is not quite as hard as ebony and a bit less than our local Mountain Mahogany which rivals ebony for hardness. Another consideration is what are you using for the peg head. I would advise either put inserts of hard walnut, maple, etc., or make the head with a different wood than the softer neck. Also practice with the shaver on inexpensive pegs before messing with expensive pegs.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2011 23:33:03

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

thank for the input guys.

Ill have a look around for that adjustable shaver, the usd to euro rate is pretty good so I dont think it will be a problem to order from the usa, else i think ill go with the one offered in germany. I know herdim from several tools (rasps and mini planes), and they always seem to deliver great tools.

If I remember correct Anders sayd he tryd both inserts and no inserts and didnt find the need for inserts, I guess it also depends how well the pegs fit etc.

so what about the materials ebony vs rosewood vs boxwood, any thoughts on that?
any pros or cons between them? besides possibly weight.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 0:37:59

Samarto

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

I prefer ebony because of the hardness and density. Rosewood is more porous and doesn't finish up as well in my opinion. Boxwood is great and a bit softer and may wear quicker than ebony, but if you are buying factory made pegs, then they are easily replaced. If your peghead is cedar, then I find it will wear a bit fast. If you veneer the front and back of the peghead with a very hard wood, then many find this works well. I think using a harder wood for the peghead or using inserts from the start, will eliminate problems down the road. I would suggest choosing the pegs that appeal to you most. In any case fitting the pegs where they have even contact all the way around in the peghead is advised. The method I have used is to drill all 6 holes. Taper the first hole and shave the peg to your liking. Then using this same peg taper the remaining holes for the same fit. Then fit each remaining peg carefully. This way all pegs fit the same and look and function nice.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 13:35:49

Sean

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

No choice is perfect, ebony is harder and wears better but also shrinks over time no matter how old it is to an oval shape causing tuning problems. I'd say go with what you find the most attractive as none function perfectly forever the same as anything in life lol.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 13:50:42

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Andy, when you speak of 7 mm at the end of the peg, do you mean the end where the string is attached or the end where the knob is??

thank for the input everyone! much appreciated as always

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 19:23:45

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

anwyays i ordered the reamer, pegs and peg shaver from germany, I ordered 1 set of ebony pegs and 2 sets of cheap boxwood pegs to practice with.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 20:46:59

estebanana

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Cheap Boxwood? Let me know which ones are cheaper than ebony???? Boxwood is usually more expensive for good pegs.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2011 21:51:58

Sean

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

6.5- 7mm string end. Ya good Euro Boxwood isn't cheap, I usually see it sold in twisted little logs and its usually sold by the pound. There is something called Castello Boxwood not a true Boxwood it comes in larger boards looks more like fumed Boxwood when exposed to light. I think this South American wood is what some may be using, its hard enough has less defects in the lumber, is a lot cheaper but it doesn't carve as well.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 3:50:21

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/product/280553/Pegs-A-quality-Boxwood.htm

check the link, boxwood pegs for 0.70 eurocent each

I just stumbled across these while looking around, most of the boxwood pegs cost +-11 euro each, I guess they have a sale on these.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 12:00:18

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

oh 1 have another question.

if I use a peg thats say 7 mm at the string end, do you drill the hole at 6 mm? and ream the last bit, I guess the answer is obvious but cant hurt to ask :D

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 13:44:42

Andy Culpepper

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

quote:

if I use a peg thats say 7 mm at the string end, do you drill the hole at 6 mm? and ream the last bit, I guess the answer is obvious but cant hurt to ask :D

Just drill your holes big enough for the end of the reamer to get in. I use a 1/4" drill (about 6.25 mm) but you could probably start a little smaller.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 13:48:57

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

obvious answer lol thanks :D

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 13:53:38

Andy Culpepper

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

btw you can make a little jig out of a wood block with a hole reamed in it, and another hole on center at the end for drilling your string holes in the pegs on a drill press.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2011 14:41:09

HemeolaMan

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Go old school. Pear.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 0:34:22

estebanana

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Hemi, found the mahogany-

Gimar,
Practice on scrap several times before you ream your peg head.
The thing you want to practice is reaming straight in both the side to side direction and the up and down direction. When you are reaming a single hole on a guitar head as opposed to a double sided pegbox like a lute or violin, you can get off center much easier.

Your pegs will look better if you try a few first on another piece of wood. that way you can get used to the pull and cut of the reamer. The weight of your arm and spin direction will try to pull the ream off center if you don't pay attention.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 2:43:14

Sean

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Yes Pear is a good choice for pegs it doesn't have the shrinkage problem like ebony, it stays much rounder but I never see pre made Pear pegs for sale.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 4:09:01

estebanana

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RE: pegs (in reply to Sean)

quote:

it stays much rounder but I never see pre made Pear pegs for sale.

yeah and they only sell them in pairs

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 4:23:55

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Stephen, I ordered a bunch of cheap pegs to practice with before actually doing the headstock.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 15:14:53

Sean

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Hopefully you have a drill press for drilling the holes, nothing worse then having them pointing in different directions. Don't use to small a bit, the less material you need to remove with the reamer the better, less chance of things wondering on you.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 18:24:13

Gimar Yestra

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

thanks for the tip, Sean, i do have a drillpress, so that should make things more easy...

come to think of it, anyone ever tryd putting the reamer in a drill press to keep it square to the headstock. probally much safer to just practice with it bu hand though

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2011 19:34:03

Stephen Eden

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Yes the only way I have fit pegs is with a reamer in the drillpress. just have to make sure all the pegs are exactly the same then you can set the drill press to only go so far then there you have it. perfection with ease!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2011 11:32:40

Sean

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

What type of reamer do you use Steven and what speed with the drill press? I probably wouldn't use the spiral type in a drill press, with speed I picture it pulling itself into the headstock a little to aggressively tearing wood out. I have the other style smooth one side bladed the other.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2011 20:09:50

jshelton5040

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RE: pegs (in reply to Sean)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sean

What type of reamer do you use Steven and what speed with the drill press? I probably wouldn't use the spiral type in a drill press, with speed I picture it pulling itself into the headstock a little to aggressively tearing wood out. I have the other style smooth one side bladed the other.

I have one of those smooth one side bladed the other but it's too slow. I use one from LMII in the drill press and it works perfectly.

Here's the link:
http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?CategoryName=Reamers&NameProdHeader=Peghole+Reamers

You can remove the handle and use it in the drill press then after finishing put the handle back on for final cleanup by hand.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2011 23:09:32

estebanana

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

Dr. John,
Did you just use a punch to push out the pin in the shaft to get the handle off?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2011 23:28:32

Stephen Eden

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RE: pegs (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

I use the smooth type too. The same as John push the pin out to remove the handle and it works a treat

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