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Is China a comunist country


China is a comunist country
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China is not a comunist country
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Anders Eliasson

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Is China a comunist country 

Just curious.

I only give you 2 options yes or no.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 8:52:36
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

In one word, yes.

Politically, China is, I believe, basically a one-party system and that one party is the Communist party.

Economically, China, like most other countries in the world, has a mixed economy....one with some central control and government ownership, but also some private enterprise. I can't think of too many developed countries that don't have mixed economies--with some elements of socialism and some of capitalism.
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Although China is an authoritarian country ruled by the Communist Party, it is communist in name only. If by communist one means the Marxist definition of communism, exemplified in its extreme forms by the former Stalinist Soviet Union and Maoist China, then China today is neither politically nor economically nor socially communist. It is indeed a mix of free market capitalism and state-controlled investment and social policies. But many non-communist countries are authoritarian with state-controlled investment and social policies. The only truly communist countries in the world today are North Korea and Cuba, and even Cuba seems to be loosening up its economic policies somewhat. Communism is for all practical purposes dead. Good riddance!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 13:28:00
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to BarkellWH

On this matter : Venezuela rocks! China sucks!
H. Chavez IS the new socialism paradigma...Oh wait Populism! yeah sure

The CIA fall down with the 2002 golpe there...ahaha!! Chavez is soo tyranic!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 14:08:37
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson



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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

if you want to give a precise answer to this question should say NO but specifying that in China as in the former Soviet Union from about 1945, have STATE CAPITALISM (something unusual: half and half capitalism communism).
An attempt to communism, as indicated by Lenin and dreamed of revolutions, perhaps there was in the early years of the Soviet revolution, in SPAIN (1936 !) and in Cuba ... where the U.S. embargo has been devastating!.

..........power of capitalism! :-)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 17:20:33
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to gbv1158

The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) was fought between the Republican forces and Franco's Falangists. Although there were communist elements fighting on the side of the Republicans, the vast majority were fighting to preserve a republic, not to install a communist dictatorship. The Soviet Union provided support to the Republicans and attempted to hijack the Republican effort, defeat Franco's forces, and install a communist government. Spanish Republican forces in 1936, however, were definitely not attempting to install a communist government in Spain.

Regarding Cuba, the U.S. embargo has not hurt Cuba nearly to the extent some would like to think. Most of the world can trade with Cuba and take advantage of its tourist sites. Cuba has access to much trade and tourism without the U.S. What has hurt Cuba most has been its own political and economic policies over the 52-year Castro dictatorship. The Cuban dictatorship stifles entrepreneurship, discourages private enterprise, and provides no incentives for foreign direct investment, which is the single most important creator of wealth and jobs in developing countries. Access to trade is there, but no country is going to invest heavily in Cuba unless and until the Cuban dictatorship provides the incentives to do so.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 18:33:51
 
Ruphus

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

It is puzzling how people unflusteredly stick to labels and titles, incapable of just identifying objects by nature of things.
Wake up folks, migrant workers meanwhile refuse to return to work for retained wage levels despite of inflation.
Chinese billionaires are about to pass westerners.
Communism!? Err ...

China stands ( and has been standing ) about as much for "communism" as whatever else place being "democracy" for its label.
There existed no socialism lesser even communism in late history.

If you like an example of practical communism in societal dimensions larger than with indigene groups, you might consider Happara ( around 2.500-3000 B.C. in todays India / Pakistan).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 18:44:19
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to BarkellWH

well ...about the revolutionary experience in Spain 1936 ..... and about the relationship between "Republicans"(better would be to say anarchists) and communists (Leninist) I believe is important to know the facts ( there are documents of the CNT and UGT ..... ) and the role of Togliatti of the Italian Communist Party and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ....in those years .... also need to know exactly what happened in the "Socialist International " .... familiar with the events of those years.... it helps to understand that the "Spanish Civil War" was an attempt of "anarchist via to socialism" ... hampered by Leninists/comunist and repressed by Nazism and fascism having in place the well-known criminal Franco; communism is a necessary step to socialimo ( (Lenin theory), while the Spanish anarchists (republicans / anarchists) believed that socialism had to get there directly with no transitional comunist period.

on Cuba ... at list let me say that here in Italy so many people have a precise idea about things really went over the last 50 years with all the U.S. attempts to stifle cuban revolution ............

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2011 21:26:25
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Thanks for your replys. I´ve liked reading them.

I know that politics is always dangerous on a forum but I was curious about what others felt abot this enourmosus state.

I´m not a comunist, socialist, liberal, conservative etc.
I just felt it to be interesting that the socalled experts believe that China within 1 or 2 years will be the most powerfull economical state in the world.
Those of us from the "modern" world have always been told that there´s only one way, market economy and democracy. I personally dont know if China is a comunist state or not. Its to complicated, but its definately different from what we´ve been living with for a long time. And we are suffereing. It would be a lie to say that our political and economical systems are working well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 10:31:28
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

as a chinese , i would say NO. it is very liberal as long as you don't mix politics with business. The chinese gov. gives alot of preferencial to minorty better than the Hans ( main chinese) actually.This is what outside world did not know. Tibet issue is a dirty football game between western and china.
It is not easy to thrive in China if you don't have backing in army or central gov. . You may have great products but you will never succeed in China without the 'right' partners. Big proftable businesses are only for 'certain' people not you or me.
the chinese markets are overheated many years ago, but since the saving rates are high compare to western world, GFC would not happen there. If it happens there will be a greater GFC which we all don't want.
we don't borrow 95% to buy a home in this part of the world.
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

Tibet issue is a dirty football game between western and china


Would You please clarify that?
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Ruphus

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

... socalled experts believe that China within 1 or 2 years will be the most powerfull economical state in the world.


It is since years already.
If the Chinese decided to sell their US bonds the US would crash into the worst depression ever seen.

You don´t want to know how the future will be looking like under Chinese determination.
Eventhough China and India will merely be returning to their traditional ranking, China this time will not be the internationally friendly giant it used to be until the two centuries of Western leading.

If you want to see how they actually regard matters like alien culture, wholy or philanthropic thinking and environment, have a look at their ventures in Latin America and Africa.

Not that things were fine now as is, but the coming economcial and fluctuative invasion won´t make ya feel any better.
The friendly smiling giant has pupated since a while now and coiled up his red carpets.
Kweilos now are not wooed anymore since a while already, but supplicants.

I fear it will be clash of global demand to reason with rigid short-sightedness, worse even than currently.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 16:12:30
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

uy, that was negative

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 19:33:39
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

China is non communist country with a communist government.

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to estebanana

quote:

China is non communist country with a communist government.


dosent that in term make it communist ?

I lived under communist regime...believe me, the general public did not consider themselves communists or even sympathizers but our government was communist therefor we were communist....the life and policy imposed on us were communist..

I dont know too many details on Chinese policy but it seems to me like China has a smarter approach to it, they have figured out something that the Romanian or Russian Communism hadn't...if people have their basic needs meet they will suffer rights infringements and censorship longer ...had the Romanian government taken a more modern and open approach to it, it might have lasted a little longer I think...in principal communism sounds so grand and fair...in practice is another story...the Romanians revolted not because the brand of the government, none of them are perfect, noone could care less what our brand of policy or government was called ... but cause we got sick of going without the simple everyday basics that the rest of the world seemed to get..

So as long as the boys that make decisions call themselves communists i vote China is Communist ...an adapted for this times version of it but communist nevertheless

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.belive me the general public did not consider themselves communists but out government was communist therefor we were communist..


I believe a people or a culture is not entirely defined by a government. But I suppose it's a semantics issue. Given that China has a 5000 year history and only 60 or so years have been under communist rule, I reason to call China a non communist country. I studied in China and I did witness the last of the hard line era, but so much of the country and culture had nothing to do with communism, in my personal view the country defined itself not by communist affectations, but by how Chinese culture shaped communism and cultivated a certain strain of communism. I think, and I could be very wrong, that China has shaped communism and that it does not really apply as a label, it's too complex to label or simply call it communism.

In the bigger picture China will be and has been under different types of government, but unlike some younger countries I maintain that China defies categorization as a this or a that. It simply stay China through many different kinds of governance; for example there was a period when the the court Eunuchs grew powerful and ruled the country. That did not make China a country of eunuchs or of eunuchry.

But I also reckon some will find my reasoning strange. I think it depends on how you look at history.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 21:31:05
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to estebanana

ok i see how you mean...sure in history china cannot be simply defined as a Communist country in the world history but in recent times and at present cannot be defined any other way IMO when discussing their government...but i see where you coming from..

but imagine for example Anders is asking cause hes thinking about moving there and opening a business, just an example...the communism will soon become very apparent to him...and the glorious history of the Chinese people will not exactly paint a helpful and accurate picture of what he is in for now...

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Florian

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sure in history china cannot be simply defined as a Communist country but in recent times and at present cannot be defined another way IMO when discussing their government


I still disagree with this because what has taken place in China in the last 20 years is astounding. 20 years ago yes I would say Ok China is communist, but now no. China can be repressive to certain elements of its population which is communist gambit to keep control, but the core values of pure communism has been so overridden in the last 20 years that its become some other thing. In Communism the state controls commerce, but one of the key ingredients to China's economic boost is foreign joint venture, and that way it's allowed some privatization of property. These things have changed a great deal in the past 20 years.

I see China as a country with repressive government in some cases, but not completely stuck on the state or a rich elite class having complete control of property. I think the government is type of hybrid of some communist tenets mixed with late capitalist economic mechanisms. Formally yes it's called communism andit ruled by a"communist party", but it's not a pure ideological system of communism any longer and it continues to reinvent communism by capitalist means.

What is that? I don't know, it's an organism with a name that does not describe how it lives. I guess my thinking is based on the idea that China is labeled communist formally, but the in fact it keeps embracing more democratic and capitalist ideas than going back to a pure communist ideas.

The kids who participated in the Cultural Revolution are now Yuppies with BMW's.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 21:48:02
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to estebanana

ok well if its as liberal as you say it is then ok as i said i am not exactly up to date with their policy i just know they have a different form of communism, wasn't sure if that was just for appearances or a more sophisticated way of still being controlling or what ...i take your word for it and trust that you know what you are talking about

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Florian

Just so you know I got bombed ass drunk at a party with my Romanian girlfriend when Mr. No Balls Ceaușescu got taken out of power. I never had to endure that idiocy and the police state he created, but my hat is off to Romanians who did.

I did some work for a Romanian guy last summer who told me his escape story from 1973 over bottle of wine, god it was interesting.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2011 21:59:15
 
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to estebanana

quote:

Just so you know I got bombed ass drunk at a party with my Romanian girlfriend when Mr. No Balls Ceaușescu


you, me and the whole Romanian country too to live through a revolution and a communism liberation is an experience il never ever forget...the kind of moment in history books they make movies about..

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to beno

Good article on China, from a couple of years ago (before the Beijing Olympics):

Butchers and monsters

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to beno

tibet is always part of China and China is part of tibet too. tibetans live not only in tibet they are in other provinces in china.China is not only belong to chinese Hans, but they are 100s of minority groups who made up China so we call ourselves ' zhong hua' . frankly speaking the west doesn't like the rise of china , the best way to keep china under control is to breakup china into pieces-tibet and xinjiang.This is all about politic games and silent war. The west always thinks china is agressive country, they are wrong. thru out our 5000 history we never invade or conquer other countries, we conquer to unite our 'zhong hua' people . our history shows that we are victims of japanese and 6 others nation occupations.
Now China agressively making economic ties with africa ,s. america and s.e. asia and the west feels threaten, China don't meddle with other countries' domestic affair that is the advantages of doing business compare to the west.Most thing we see and read in the medias are biased towards their own advantages , there is no black and white in this world. China is not perfect but iron grip is needed to control its vast population, but its also gives a lot of carrots to its people.
democracy is not always good thing , Indonesian people called it 'democrazy' cause since the dictator fell, demo is everyday thing and the gov is corrupt from top to the very bottom and the people is worst now than under grip iron.
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Ericjie,

Where do you live, I mean which city in China? I agree with several of your points about the history of China, but one is flawed in particular regarding Tibet.

You wrote: "frankly speaking the west doesn't like the rise of china , the best way to keep china under control is to breakup china into pieces-tibet and xinjiang"

Well, we both know that statement ridiculous and I am surprised you even went to that argument. Of course I realize you are typing your opinion on the internet for everyone to see, and not telling them to me while walking down the street.

Tibet was never part of China and China never part of Tibet. In pre Buddhist Tibet the Champa people and other Tibetans were hardy and fierce warriors who the Chinese emperors hired the to be mercenary forces to protect China from invaders to the North. Later when Buddhism came to Tibet from India, in several generations in the six century Tibet transformed from the warrior guides of the Chinese to the spiritual guides. The Emperors relied on the high Tibetan lamas as spiritual guides. Tibet and China coexisted as separate, but interdependent countries for many centuries. The roles were reversed during this time with China taking on the occasional task of protecting Tibet militarily.

To propose that Tibet is a lynch pin in Chinese stability with the West is at best absurd. And at worst paranoid. China is in Tibet for the natural resources, minerals mainly. And Tibet is so far away and isolated from the West that there's no threat that the land of Tibet could ever be a strong hold of western power.

And the issues between China and the West are about economic competition. And even in that arena China and the West are interdependent now.

But getting back to Tibet, the Tibetans don't consider themselves Chinese and the Han Chinese don't like Tibetans very much and treat them very poorly. What you call a great gathering of Chinese peoples is more along the lines of one culture force assimilating another culture. It's true that you say the Chinese don't make war with other countries, instead they take the land or buy it or lease it, bring in enough Han people to push out the native inhabitants. This is the age old way Chinese governments have fought.

Let's call it what it really is, economic and cultural colonial governance. We (the major Western countries) did it and we still to a certain extent still do it. China does it now and it's particularly virulent type pf economic colonialism in Africa because the Han in China find it uncomfortable to assimilate into other cultures when they go on economic missions.

When Han people choose to migrate to another country they assimilate, when they are sent or go for cultural/economic reasons they tend to stay together and push out the native groups by vying for the bet real estate. Case in point being Tibetans.

When I was a student for a short time in China I used to talk to the cook of my dormitory. I also made friends with the janitor and drank tea with him after he finished work. After we drank some tea, we then drank some wine with fruit in it, kind of like a Chinese version of sangria. After we got a bit drunk he would fry us some eggs. He was a modest man who liked me because I would talk to him even though I was a special student and he was a janitor. It was mildly scandalous to the Chinese instructors that I would be seen drinking and socializing with the 'lowly' janitor. But he and I had fantastic conversations as he was an astute man; and my contemporary American students were jealous that I had been taken into the home of Chinese person and learned about China from an average guy instead of books.

Later the Cook and I had much the same relationship, we talked about China and the West, and he said to me: Just because you are engaged in these conversations with the janitor about life in China don't think you know very much or are getting an insider view. He said to me, you look at things with your American eyes and you need to stop doing that to really see. It was then that I tried carefully to not interpret China through my experience of being an American, but to try to imagine what it would be like to be in that culture.

The Janitor said one day I like your companionship because you remind me of my son who was sent out to the West end of the country to work. So I was able to just relate to him as just a guy, not a Chinese guy, but just a guy and we talked about Micheal Jackson, French Impressionism and how snobby the teachers were. So now when I read about China in Africa I think, well the world is changing and everyone is competing for the energy or the minerals and thats the way it is. But I always hope on a personal level they will turn around what the cook said to me and look at things from the perspective of the other culture.

My opinion is that China is an ancient country that has kept to itself for a few thousand years and now it's entering into the world like sacared little turtle poking it's head out of its shell. And the rest of the world is saying: Great China! We're ready for you to come out and play!

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

One more thing, China to me is not a communist country, it's a country that should be known for having great fukcing food and people.

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to estebanana

stephen,
Not many people know china history like you do. Most people get their conclusion influenced by media. you are right, China needs tibet resources and and xinjiang 's oil to survive, just like Indonesia needs papua to survive.
I was born in Indonesia , my grandpa comes from canton ran away from communist, he was in republic army, but i grew up in china and taiwan then migrated to the lucky country.
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

In Communism i dont think money exists. It is about how you oganize the production. Socialism or socialistic regimes are considered bridge societies, which are not communism yet, but on the road to it. I dont see any thing like that in China, it is basically state capitalism. The production is organized under capitalistic conditions, with a very oppressive regime. And it works very well.

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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson

Hey Stephen,

I am once again impressed by your wisdom.

There is only one point that I like to question.

quote:

And the issues between China and the West are about economic competition. And even in that arena China and the West are interdependent now.


Huh? Not at all. China now is the main economical dependency for the West. At the beginning of those 20 years that you mention it was just for cheap labour for western markets, now since years it is China as most potential customer field.
To western combines local and traditional markets now are of secondary concern, with their main focus on turn over in China.

And for decisive difference of China´s historical policies and current / future ones:
quote:

Let's call it what it really is, economic and cultural colonial governance. We (the major Western countries) did it and we still to a certain extent still do it. China does it now and it's particularly virulent type pf economic colonialism in Africa because the Han in China find it uncomfortable to assimilate into other cultures when they go on economic missions.


In history China did not make use of its imperial potential, and that´s what is and will be differen this time.
Unlike the admirable historical policy that let the Chinese only trade with foreign countries, restraining from occupying or exploiting; and in the end even burn down its fleet to wholy withdraw from foreign exchange, this time there will be no such humbleness.

Instead there is turbo capitalism developing, with no consideration for whatsoever other than profit.

In the end there are three things to be considered, though little known. On is the strong Chinese tradition of pecuniary priority and second the dismiss of foreign culture ( and race ). Right, little has been heard of it outside of China, but the Chinese consider themselves superiour race, and while that attitude slumbered during the "socialist" times it has outlasted still, to becoming progressively effective with the economical uprise and rapidly growing international ventures.

And thirdly there is the indifference for fellow creatures and environment proper to Asian mentality in general, which will not exactly continue and support the little of concern that western common sense has been able to raise over the past decades.

Having said that, the Chinese government did learn a bit from modern western concerns about environment during the past ~ 8 years. But that probably only after western scientists predicted the end of Chinas economical boom based on cost of environment, with following environmental repair investments then 10 times exceeding foregone profits.

Considering that all we are currently occupied with being nothing but temporary artificial constructs, while definite dependency and circumstances like environment going down hill, the uprise of Chinese economcial and political power will be anything but out of all promissing to progress of intellectual, social and before all environmental concerns.

Guess who is already being the greatest lumberer in the remaining primare woods world wide? Who the biggest importer of mineral ressources?

You take that food, I show you the unspeakable suffering it came with.

Ruphus
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