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Ricardo
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 RE: Gerardo Nunez injury? (in reply to NormanKliman)
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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman
Thanks for the info Ricardo. I heard two guitarists say that Gerardo was in Madrid back in the early days of Caño Roto and got some ideas from there. I think it's probably true, but I don't know any details, like if he was living or working in Madrid or something.
Based on my ears, I would say that is true, although, Gerardo's ideas seemed pretty solid and set in stone back in 87 before I even heard any of the caña roto guys. But doesn't mean he did not get inspired by THEM first. Most likely, like Cepero PDL and Tomatito, bumping elbows on stage and with dancers, they all rubbed off on each other.
Gerardo still lives in madrid, but in summers he migrates to the beach in sanlucar. Plus he is so close to his birth place jerez down there. Now he has the theater spot in Trebujuena as well. Manolo, as you can imagine, thinks of little sanlucar as "his" town, and the idea of Gerardo setting up camp there, with his technique level and musicality and approachablity, probably got Manolo's feathers ruffled years ago. I heard that in the early years of Gerardo's curso, Manolo did make an appearance to one or some of Gerardo's juergas (for the students).
in 2007 we saw Manolo perform and afterwards was hanging out with moraito in a local bar that many of us hang out at as well. I am sure Manolo was aware the dozens of guiris hanging out were part of Gerardo's class, and he seemed pretty easy going let us take pictures and stuff.
Ricardo
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Date May 18 2010 14:05:57
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mark indigo
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RE: Gerardo Nunez injury? (in reply to NormanKliman)
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I heard two guitarists say that Gerardo was in Madrid back in the early days of Caño Roto and got some ideas from there.
as to moving to Madrid, i have sleeve notes on a compilation that says of Gerardo "In 1983 he worked with Mario Maya and, definitely settled in Madrid, he began experimenting with other musical forms, collaborating with jazz musicians Tomás San Miguel and Jorge Pardo."
i think in a recent thread about Caño Roto someone (was it Ricardo?) said Gerardo had influenced the Caño Roto scene with altered tunings. But Paco was also already using altered tunings on Solo Quiero Caminar LP (as well as Alegrías in Drop D and Mantilla De Fería on Fantasia), so could both Gerardo and Caño Roto have been influenced by Paco and/or influenced each other?
reading interviews with artists from around that time (early 80's) it sounds like Madrid was a big melting pot of influence, with everyone going to each other's gigs and influencing each other
also re Caño Roto, Enrique De Melchor toured with PDL in the seventies, and also was taken under the wing of El Viejín's Uncle Nani working in Tablao in Madrid, so there's some influence there of Caño Roto, Enrique De Melchor and PDL.
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Date May 19 2010 1:22:01
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mark indigo
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RE: Gerardo Nunez injury? (in reply to Ricardo)
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I meant tunings on Nuñez first album like CGCGBE, and later low C, low B, EbAbDbGBE, etc...
yeah, but i'm wondering if Gerardo influenced Caño Roto with those, or if he picked up those ideas from them, or if both were influenced by Paco to experiment with altered tunings, and Gerardo came up with those. Gerardo's use of low B is different to Viejín's, no?
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I'd heard that Enrique de Melchor was closely associated with Caño Roto, but it never made much sense to me or to a few other people.
Norman, I just checked the source for that, it says;
"When my father worked at "Los Canasteros" there was a guy there that played really well, called "El Nani". We all knew him. When I saw him I was really impressed with his playing. He asked me, "Aren't you going to play like your father?". I just played a little, practically nothing. So I said, "I don't know. I'm studying." So he showed me a falseta and I was hooked."
He goes on to say he stayed in Madrid from then, and that he toured with Paco later on. And guess what? at the bottom it says "Translation: Norman Paul Kliman"!!! link is here:
http://www.flamenco-world.com/artists/melchor/melchor.htm
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Date May 19 2010 11:32:12
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My favorite part of that is: