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Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

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ORIGINAL: guitarristamadrid

Hey how come no one has taken up my offer to play for them on Skype? It seems like the real issue isn't my playing, but something far deeper


i would only watch you on skype, if you pay me 50 dollars an hour.

oh and i replied to all of your PMs !

in private, you talk 500% more sh!t than in public

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Pgh_flamenco

 

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

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Is there anyone on this forum who has lived life 1/1000th as fully as Trent Reznor?


I think you’re confusing attention and fame with living fully. There’s no virtue in it and as it happens so often in rock music being a public example of gross psychopathology is not the most sustainable nor the best way to make a name for yourself.
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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

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I have, for many years. Peace is the highest of all things. He who has everything, but lacks peace, still craves it. But he who has peace needs nothing.


Platitudes... Time to redouble your efforts or at least get your money back if you paid to study meditation...
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Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Guest

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ORIGINAL: nealf

or start another "Conde is great" thread. There can never be too many of those!


ah , now i understand and remember what bothers you most.

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about this thread, well yes maybe i was too harsh too.
but how can i don't read him, whereas nearly all threads at the moment are same kind of "....."

oh and he started first to say "shut up" to me.
his first post and the rest just confirmed what i was expecting.
so don't expect me too stay calm forever.
oh, and i don't want to share the PMs with you, too childish

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 8:33:24
 
Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

oh and nealf, please keep your opinion about me or anyone for yourself if you don't follow up things and don't know why it all went that far and just show up once a year to give a good advice how people should behave.

i was happy that guitarrista joined us:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=134082&p=1&mpage=1&tmode=1&smode=1

then later in the other threads, i changed my mind because of some comments and some behaviour which really drive me mad. and realized that the others were unfortunately right about him !

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 8:40:58
 
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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

Technique is just a tool to express yourself. It's not a Bench Press competition.




quote:

I absolutely accept a technical challenge, of any aspect of the guitar, from any of the players you just mentioned. Or yourself if you ever had the balls, not waiting for that to happen though.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 8:47:20
 
Ron.M

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

Guitarrista,

I'm afraid you have joined the Forum without even checking out other members here and are just using it as a platform for your own megaphone views now.

Which is a pity, for I can see you following the same pattern as others who have done exactly the same and got their posting rights withdrawn.

Seriously, if you don't calm down a bit and begin to listen to what other members have to say instead of thinking that you are the only Spanish speaking member and the only member to have received lessons in Spain and streets ahead in technique and know more Flamenco than any other member..etc etc

Then I am afraid very shortly you will be joining the ForoFlamenco Nutters Hall of Fame.

That's just the way it is around here Evan.

Sorry.


cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 8:49:24
 
yohan

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

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Is there anyone on this forum who has studied with a universally acknowledged flamenco master for as long as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has been playing eight hours or more a day for years, as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has been studying tocar solo, tocar por baile tocar por cante y tocar palmas under the strictest guidance of such a master, on a near daily basis, for years.

Is there anyone on this forum who has lived around and hung out with other flamencos in a place such as canorroto, for as long as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has had no other job or studies for the last four years, other than playing flamenco guitar.

Is there anyone else on this forum that even speaks spanish, for the love of god.

Did El Entri issue an official document to anyone else that says He is an outstanding student, an example to the others?

If the answer is no, then what makes you think I am gonna let you get away with saying this **** to me.


This is your problem, your ego is too big.
You are not that good, both on technique and composition.
That doesn't matter, but show some respect the other guitarists.
And stop challenging everyone, flamenco is not a competition.


Btw what was "prof"diaz his username here on the foro? I never saw him around here.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 8:52:27
 
Stu

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to yohan



I wondered when this would happen?!

this was on the cards from day one as far as I could see......

a point that jumped out at me here was...

quote:

we would even react same to paco de lucia himself, if he would talk the same sh!t like you are doing


@ Gitaristamadrid, it doesnt matter who or what you are, all people want is some mature, courteous, respectful behaviour like anyone would want anywhere and most of your posts (the few I bothered to glance at) all seemed a little LOUD and childish for me and probably most of the members here.


quote:

Is there anyone on this forum who has studied with a universally acknowledged flamenco master for as long as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has been playing eight hours or more a day for years, as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has been studying tocar solo, tocar por baile tocar por cante y tocar palmas under the strictest guidance of such a master, on a near daily basis, for years.

Is there anyone on this forum who has lived around and hung out with other flamencos in a place such as canorroto, for as long as I have.

Is there anyone on this forum who has had no other job or studies for the last four years, other than playing flamenco guitar.

Is there anyone else on this forum that even speaks spanish, for the love of god.

Did El Entri issue an official document to anyone else that says He is an outstanding student, an example to the others?

If the answer is no, then what makes you think I am gonna let you get away with saying this **** to me.


and the above is absolute bile!!!

so what if the answer is "NO", so what if you've done all these things more than anyone here???
naughty children still need to spanked!!!!!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 9:24:37
 
Pimientito

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

Guitarrista - I gotta agree with Ron. You are not the only Guitar player to have studied in Spain. You are not the only player who has put in hours a day of study. You are not the only person here who speaks Spanish nor the only one who has made a living playing the guitar. You are not the only player with certificates from good players. I myself have 5 diplomas in advanced technique signed by Gerardo Nuñez. Some members here have even more. By the way ...how many professional records have you recorded?
The way you present yourself is that you are the first guy to go to Madrid and discover modern Toque. You make way too many presumptions about some of the people here who would actually be quite happy to help you if you didnt keep insulting them. I lived in Madrid for a year so I know the scene a little but I have spent 10 years in Andalucia and I can say you would be unwise to have that "Im gonna play better than Paco" attitude if you ever want to mix in and learn from Gypsies here. You will be closed out from those circles and you wont get a chance to work with them....which is ultimately what you say you want to do.

I have been here long enough to see guys with amazing technique finding it hard for them to even get jobs playing in bars because of ther insufferable ego. It would be sad if you found yourself on this path in your life.

You have loads of enthusiasm and energy which is great...but there are a lot of people with a lot more experience out there that you could really learn a lot from if you let them. Everyone is saying "chill out, calm down". Its really nice that guys as busy and talented as Grisha would spend time writing comments to try to help you....and saying stuff like Amigo and Nuñez cant compose on the guitar doesnt exactly make you look like you know what you are talking about.

I mean this nicely cos I think you have a lot of potential as a player....chill out, dont insult other members and try to have a little humility. It would be a shame to see you banned from here after such a short time.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

Gee, this forum is a funny place. But this guy winns the price.

Man, (or dude) you really have a big ego.

I´m pretty good speaking spanish and I´ve been here for a long time, but I´m not a really good flamenco player, so you dont have to pump yourself up and warm up for a couple of days in order to beat me.

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Jamey

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to guitarristamadrid

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Is there anyone on this forum who has lived life 1/1000th as fully as Trent Reznor?


[sigh]
Yes, some of us have, grew up and managed to survive it in order to move on (while many of my friends/acquaintances didn't make it). Simon (Escribando) can speak to this as well as anyone on this forum (myself included). I wasn't into the industrial scene (my mess was the punk and hardcore scenes through the early-mid 80's up to the early 90's). Trent's appearance of genius has more to do with the repackaging and re-presentation of Skinny Puppy material. The brooding delivery is what tends to catch those harboring anger/frustration within and they identify with either him or what he's written (or both). Self loathing doesn't produce much other than a spectacle for others if conducted in the public eye. Trent wasn't the first, in fact, it can arguably be said that Johnny Cash wrote that book long before Trent (luckily Rick Ruben had the good sense to get Cash in the end to cover "Hurt" resulting in a video that easily stands as the man's epitaph).

I'm guessing you're younger than I am and are obviously emphatic about your interests, what they mean to you, and how they comprise your sense of identity. That's fantastic, don't ever lose that nor allow yourself to be jaded out and away from that enthusiasm. But, also know that you aren't the only one to have "discovered" what you're currently devoted to (nor is the passion you've obtained new nor unique to you alone) and that in time, what you know and understand WILL necessarily expand further, that this will give you added insight into your own past conduct and adamantly held views. You will start to recognize some of the opinions of others as becoming more aligned with your own. In essence, you'll evolve and see the point of view of others a little more readily. This doesn't mean complacency nor conformity, just empathy, clarity and maturity (not talking 'old' here).

Reznor is in a different place now and is (apparently) sober, clear, and creative again (without the nihilism). When I met him, he was humble if not self-depreciating, still abrasive and non-conformist, but not arrogant. If you want to idolize him, or (more likely) adamantly revere him, perhaps it would be best if you tried to model your presentation of yourself to be more in tune with how he carried himself (at that point in the late 80's when I met him).

Conceit and arrogance don't work. They're often the person trying just as hard to convince themselves as others (essentially talking themselves up in an effort to stay emboldened and "fired up"). It's awesome that you're having the experiences that you are (being in Madrid with such a fine teacher), and I'd love to hear more about the experiences and what you've learned from them, but lording it over others with a tinge of derision and belittlement doesn't bode well. In the end, no one has to accept you, no one has to "take you as you are". They can all choose to ignore you completely, if not wall you out completely. That would be sad and not likely indicative of the kind of person you actually are. You have a lot to contribute. Perhaps try to do so without all of the aforementioned slights or condescension. I think people will grow to appreciate you for it. I know I would.

- Jamey
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 10:03:30
 
GuitarVlog

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

Gee, this forum is a funny place. But this guy winns the price.

I truly believed nobody could top el professor.

EDIT:
At least he's not trying to sell Andelusional guitars.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 10:14:53
 
srshea

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to gj Michelob

Aw, great, a buncha forners tellin’ me what dude means!

quote:

ORIGINAL: gj Michelob
“dude” is indeed a cowboy term, originally meaning “chief” or “boss”.

Wooooah, now hold on there, Eyetallian Stallion! Maybe that’s what it means over in yer fancypants Yurup with yer spaghetti westerns and whatnot, but not over here!

In its original meaning a “dude” was a fancy man, someone with an “unmanly” concern for his manner of dress. Someone who’s getting dressed up fancy for a night on the town might be said to be getting “all duded up”.

When it moved out to the ol’ west, the term came to represent a city slicker from the east with his fancy new lady lookin’ boots and such. A “dude ranch” is a touristy representation of a real western ranch where city folk can go vicariously live the life of a cowboy for the weekend.

So, in its original usage, dude definitely carried a mild pejorative connotation, but has now become a totally benign term that’s just a synonym for “man” or “guys” or whatever.

At this point in time I think that most people say “dude” with a slight hint of irony. Since its revival in so-cal surfer culture (think Bill and Ted, or Sean Penn in Fast Times) it’s taken on a kind of “dumb” connotation. So when someone sez “Hey, dude.” to a friend, there’s usually a subtle, self conscious quotation mark around the word, a recognition that it’s a bit of an affectation to call someone “dude”, unless you actually are a Bill and Ted-style dumbass, in which case you probably use the term free of any irony……

quote:

Well, nothing......except this Table Lamp...

Are you sure, Ron? Sure you couldn't use a nice paddle game? Maybe a chair?

Alright, chillout, dudes.....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 10:32:12
 
Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

ok, i take back the harsh and hurting parts of my comments. sorry.

i guess i was also a bit loaded and too impulsive (sometimes i can't control that), mainly because of some recent comments towards other guitar players i like and i admire.

anyway, i have no problem to apologize because of those parts.

i don't want to hurt anybody who is somehow in to flamenco (no matter which way). at least we all share this passion

but , DUDE, think about what others said and change your behaviuor a bit.

peace

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 10:32:16
 
Patrick

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

I bet my dad came beat your dad up!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:03:08
 
Estevan

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Patrick

quote:

I bet my dad came beat your dad up!

Dad or Dude?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:31:33
 
gj Michelob

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to srshea

quote:

Wooooah, now hold on there, Eyetallian Stallion! Maybe that’s what it means over in yer fancypants Yurup with yer spaghetti westerns and whatnot, but not over here!


I am not taking kindly your choice of derogatory remarks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:45:25
 
NormanKliman

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to gj Michelob

I don't think he meant it that way, GJ.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:52:17
 
Mark2

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M

quote:

But he who has peace needs nothing.


Well, nothing......except this Table Lamp...

cheers,

Ron



And this pen...........................
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:54:23
 
Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Patrick

quote:

ORIGINAL: Patrick

I bet my dad came beat your dad up!




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srshea

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to gj Michelob

quote:


I am not taking kindly your choice of derogatory remarks.


Well then I’ll be seein’ ya in front of the saloon at high noon then, cowboy!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 11:56:38
 
ashod

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Arash

I think all this hate should stop. I've been reading silently, but what's the point of being carried away?

The man said he'll have uploads friday. I'm waiting until then to see what's up with his skills.

But please stop this bashing around all day long. I come here because I can find respectful people sharing a passion, not kids showing with who's got the bigger one. (This comment isn't pointed to anyone, just a reflection of my feeling these two last days about all this guittaristamadrid thing).

Peace, love and flamenco!
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Ron.M

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to NormanKliman

quote:

I don't think he meant it that way, GJ.


Nor do I gj.

He was just using a funny voice to send up that kind of character for joke effect.

Srshea is an OK guy.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 12:13:48
 
srshea

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to gj Michelob

Aw, jeez, I assumed (and still assume) that my post was taken in the good natured jesting manner in which it was intended! No offense meant!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 12:18:55
 
Ron.M

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to ashod

quote:

I think all this hate should stop. I've been reading silently, but what's the point of being carried away?

The man said he'll have uploads friday. I'm waiting until then to see what's up with his skills.

But please stop this bashing around all day long. I come here because I can find respectful people sharing a passion, not kids showing with who's got the bigger one. (This comment isn't pointed to anyone, just a reflection of my feeling these two last days about all this guittaristamadrid thing).



Guitarrista,

THIS is the kind of reaction we get when someone refuses to have just an ordinary conversation or interchange of ideas, but chooses to dominate the Forum with his own agenda.

It blocks up the Forum from other subjects and other folk's interests.

IMO you have a bigger interest in homespun philosophy and PMA self-help stuff than Flamenco guitar.

You disregard people because you are too full of self interest to see them.

To refer to Grisha as "curious" and then go on to give him advice....

That is a total insult from someone at your level of playing and very disrespectful.

You say that you know all the social skills but choose to ignore them because you are "speaking the truth".

"Have you guys realized yet that I know you disapprove of me and I don't care?"

That's childish immature rubbish, frankly and cannot be tolerated here.

Personally I'm pretty tired with your attitude, though I have tried to extend the hand of friendship to you.

But as Moderator, it's just getting too much now.

You say you like a fight.

Well you can't do it here.


Anyway I get the feeling Escribano is about to swing the axe.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 12:50:55
 
bursche

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to GuitarVlog

quote:

I truly believed nobody could top el professor.


He didn't.

Ruben IS king.

But there's certainly some new, exciting and original stuff going on here.
I won't ever feel offended. I'm not a flamenco guitarist.
I just stole a whole lot from this kind of music...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 13:01:30
 
xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Ron.M

Ron, let's give him a chance to sleep on this day, perhaps tomorrow he'll wake up, re-read all this stuff and change his mind...probably won't offer apologies but might not want to fight anymore...at least i hope...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2010 13:01:54
 
Arash

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RE: @ GuitarristaMadrid (in reply to Elie

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkElieDraven

could anyone tell me who is El Entri ?and why is guitarristamadrid keep talkin about him/her alot .
I play flamenco since long time and I 've never heard of him/her neither where i live or in spain .


seams to be a cool school.
jesus de rosario is also there.
el entri is the teacher

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=125052&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=el%2Centri&tmode=&smode=&s=#132975

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