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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: Juan Martin Articles/interviews (in reply to musicalgrant)
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I'd like to take this post into a whole new direction: why are the guitarists the most jealous divas in flamenco? Whether it's among the big guys or two rivaling guitarists in the same small town, there's something about the guitar in general that makes players want to prove they're the best. I've been guilty too in the past, but I've gotten a lot better. I heard when Tomatito came to Germany years ago to do a workshop, a lot of the teachers didn't attend, only because their students were also attending. That to me is just d@mn weird. I took the advice of a guitarist I know and still try to live by it: don't pull yourself down getting caught up in who's got better technique, more creative, quicker learner, more famous, has a better understanding, is more 'flamenco' etc. because it's not gonna help YOU - nor will getting caught up in who's WORSE than you, not for real etc. Just keep your eyes forward, do your own thing, you'll have a lot less teeth gritting and be a lot more successful. PDL isn't a highly respected great player because Juan Martín's technique is worse. Of course looked at the other way around PDL set the standard for what good playing is nowadays, but on a scale most people shouldn't consider for themselves. Just some thoughts...
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Date Jan. 16 2008 19:13:27
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Juan Martin Articles/interviews (in reply to John O.)
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Its not just in flamenco and its defenetly just the guitarists, infact theyr jelosuy and competitivnes are relativly small compared to the dancers and singers. I dont know why, its human nature I gues, we all wish we were bigger than that but we all fall into the same trap. with working alot on anything comes a certain confidence, and self assurance, its not something anyone plans its just litlle unoticeble steps that take you there, next thing you know, you are competitive. competition is the base of growth tho its not good or bad, i dont have reasons or excuses, it just is. if you not competitive its not cause its not in you, its either cause u havent had to, or arent in the enviorment where u need to, in the right enviroment and under the right circumstances anyone can and will be. Its eazy to look and say ohh "Paul" is so competitive, but if u look at the big picture we realise that we are all just as bad, and mibe the only reason we can point it in out in him is because hes blunter about it. SO the question is not why are we competitive and egotistical but why dont some know how to tone it down to a more acceptable level where it gives the impression like they not, just like the rest of us who are self involved and competitive that's a litlle eazyer to swallow ... once you realize its just human nature and its normal, and if you have the courage admit that you too are gulty of it even if not in flamenco , even if in other areas its not so annoying or scarey, u can put it to work for you. Paco is certainly competitive, otherwise he wouldnt play the best and have the best picado, the emotions are all the same , we just use different names for them, driven, ambitious, self assured, confident, proud etc. I am certainly gulty of all of it Happy birthday btw !!!
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Date Jan. 16 2008 20:15:12
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Stu
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From: London (the South of it), England
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RE: Juan Martin Articles/interviews (in reply to Ron.M)
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No one was touching this thread for ages!! like some thread with a common strain of JM disease, no one wants to get infected. But now its ok I suppose..... its cured I don't think guitarist are the most jealous divas in flamenco. I would think it has to be the dancers, no? then singers, then guitarists. There always seems to be some underlying bitchyness/jealousy in any dance. Dance is essentially about appearance and how you look when you dance. you cant appreciate dance unless you see it. (except maybe some tap or flamenco footwork.) Ok so you get the moves right, fine. then after that you have to get the moves right with a bit of style or flare. fine. then after that you get the moves right with style, flare and a ...fancy outfit and so on. and this is all good. but god forbid if one dancer has a more fancy oufit than you!!!! or worse...a nicer behind! Singers and guitarist on the other hand, can be appreciated without seeing them! maybe not fully but you can listen to singers or guitarist on cd and be well happy. Ok so a singers music comes from their voice so they affect it with movements and expressions and also a fancy outfit. Finally a guitarist music comes from his guitar so very little visual affectation is needed. but perhaps the odd fancy outfit and long greasy hair do. I also think guitarists, especially classical and flamenco, like to think of themselves as pensive, thoughtful and humble but with hidden passion. In conclusion...... I certainly rabble on a lot!! Stu Ps. JM is a wierdo!!
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Date Jan. 17 2008 2:22:48
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Juan Martin Articles/interviews (in reply to Stu)
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so what should we do, should we sitt here and pretend like we are normal , without egos, beautiful, perfect creatures. or should we cut the **** and accept that we are , self involved, egotistical, emotional rolocosters, who have low self esteme and insecurities because they always force us (guitarists) to sitt at the back of the stage and everyone, Dancers, Singers are telling us what to do, no wonder. and when we do get a compliment after a gig, we cant even enjoy it, cause inside our heads, we think "He dosent know" or "Hes just saying this cause he has to". But it could be worst, u could be the cajon player if the guitarist has a day off, everyone goes home, if the cajon player has one..... whatever, someone does palmas quote:
so what should we do, should we sitt here and pretend like we are normal Oh, i should mention thow, when i say "we" I dont really mean me, i just included myself to make you all feel like its ok, really. i am not like you people, i really am nice and unegotistical.
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Date Jan. 17 2008 3:48:16
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Florian
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RE: Juan Martin Articles/interviews (in reply to Ron.M)
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quote:
I think ideally women prefer men who are modest while talented, rich but generous, great with the housework and the kids, intelligent, handsome, loyal, passionate, sensitive and hung like a gorilla. Sadly I'm not rich or handsome... HAHAHAHA !!! brilliant quote:
JM was born from the fact of jealousy, maybe because the man is open minded and is not "strictly" flamenco Yeah he just constantly pushes the boundryes of flamenco to new hights in the area of composition and technique, hes just an inovator, hes ahead of his time about 2000 years. Lucky hes the only one the wrote the BOOK and gave it to us for free exposing the secret exotic sounds only passed down trough generations from father and son or noone else would have. Hes an explorer and painter in sound. Hes a poor, modest, nice, giving , angel whos beeing attaked and victimised by evil forces of jelous guitarists. Hes Tibet and we are China. We have secret "Dont forghet to hate Juan this week" meetings. This subject its a trap Everytime someone joins the forum starts this up , and calls everyone jelous or a hater, who dosent like the music or think peticulary high of his playing and has the balls to be honest with you about his feelings on the subject according to his taste and what he considers to be good flamenco ,instead of telling you what you wanna hear out of fear of god forbit beeing unpopular ... and the only choice we have is shut up and watch beeing called "jelous" and "haters" or respond and then when we do respond we just set another thread for someone else who joins to reopen. From now on, just tell me what you would like me to say about JM and il just say it, would save us the long waisting time on the thread, the part where you ask me "what have you done ?" ,the arguing and the apologising. My mind wont change, your mind wont change , so whats the point ? On the other hand i am man enough to admit that perhaps i am wrong, lets talk facts, hard evidence no more of this "You shuld because he wrote the book" or because hes "JM" lets talk music, upload a track u think its good, let us talk the facts rather then just what we should or shouldnt feel, give me a real reason to like him as much as you do, rather then just words. Thats pretty fair isnt it ? if i am trying to get you to like Nino de Pura i upload a track, not tell you that you should. ps. I dont want to say "hhello to jo Litle frien" because of this but i think Jm did see flamenco as one big great ***** just waiting to get *****. ok, that was exagerated and a joke , but it was there to be made. peace.
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