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Understanding Solea por Buleria
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NormanKliman
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RE: Understanding Solea por Buleria (in reply to John O.)
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Hi Ailsa, quote:
Do you think perhaps there are some chords or figures in the playing that have become linked to SpB just through use and fashion, so that when you hear them you go, 'yep, that's SpB'?? Well, it's hard to say. For one thing, you rarely hear a fast solo-guitar soleá (fast from the beginning), so when you do it's logical to associate it with SpB, especially if the guitarist is looking for some of those characteristic sounds. The sound of por medio playing is more closely associated with SpB (the kid accompanying Vicente in John's video) although there are some similar sounding chords por arriba. In any case it's hard to say why someone will associate a certain sound with a certain idea. You might have an idea from a BpS recording in your head, but it doesn't mean that the same idea makes another recording BpS. I'm not trying to put your judgement into doubt, it's just that it's hard to say. A long time ago, I constantly confused siguiriyas and soleá accompanied por medio. After hearing a strong 1-2-3 por medio, I'd think that I knew what was going on. Those are good videos, John, and very much to the point. Chano sings the soleás Joaquín el de La Paula 3 and Frijones 2 and Vicente sings the bulería larga, the corta, María La Moreno 1 (notice how it's based on the bulería larga) and Sordo La Luz, which are nearly all of the SpB cantes. In both videos, the tempo is quick, so it makes for an interesting comparison. Edit: The cambio is kind of characteristic in BpS, especially with the C7 chord (C11) barred at the first fret por medio. For example, both styles attributed to María La Moreno push the cambio back to the end of the cante, because of the way they start.
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Date Nov. 6 2009 2:02:47
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Ricardo
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RE: Understanding Solea por Buleria (in reply to NormanKliman)
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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman quote:
Is it a buleria played slower? but I heard slower bulerias before. A solea faster and in por medio? You could think of it either way. The cantes are bulerías but they're sung at the tempo of a fast soleá, considerably slower than a slow bulería. The toque depends entirely on the singer's voice and could just as easily be por arriba, as John has pointed out. If there's no singing, it's just a fast soleá. The only thing that makes it soleá por bulería (also called bulería por soleá or bulerías para escuchar) is the singing. There are only a handful of these cantes, and all of them are also sung por bulerías. That's why the right name is actually bulerías por soleá, although it's become fashionable to say it the other way around. On old recordings, you never hear those cantes in a performance of straight soleá, but nowadays lots of singers do it when the tempo is quick. Have a look at this forum's recent cante accompaniment challenge for an example of this. If you're really interested in the subject, you have to learn what makes those cantes different from straight soleá. quote:
If I want to get to know a palo I just search it on the computer and have hundreds of them to put in a playlist. Really helps me a lot. Yeah, it's very helpful. Aficionados used to do that decades ago with homemade cassette recordings. The practice may have been part of the reason for all those "Por..." anthologies that were released in the 1970s and 1980s. In addition, it is common for singers to mix different letras together, so of those bulerias slowed down as you said (bulerias por solea), but also solea from Jerez which are typically faster than say solea anyway Alcala, but still simply a style of SOLEA. Good example is Frijones letras. Since they get mixed together A LOT in a single performance, and especially a DANCE, "Solea por Bulerias" makes a good title for the mix, and indeed seems to have evolved into the popular term for the song form vs "bulerias por solea". But it is true there used just be Solea, or Solea de Jerez, or Bulerias por Solea, and only one of the titles were used. For guitarists the easy way to think about the playing is Solea is Slower, Solea por buleria will be faster, but also more steady tempo wise....and of course bulerias fast. The same exact falseta or strum or something could be played for any of these forms, but the feel changes depending on the tempo. So it is common to have different types of strums and falsetas that feel more comfortable at different tempos. Ricardo
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Date Nov. 7 2009 6:17:06
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Ricardo
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RE: Understanding Solea por Buleria (in reply to Alonte)
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ORIGINAL: Alonte But in essence, is there a strict SPB rule that will help distinguish it more? Aside from the steady rythm and beginning at 1? Unfortunately no, and let go of the "always steady starting at 1" idea too, that is a generalization not a rule. You may hear what seems a Solxbul but gets labeled "Solea" and get confused, cuz that is OK too, depending on context. I was trying to generalize for you but the lines are blurry. Only way to get the concept is to jump in and start learning all the fine details, note for note, until you start to get it. Sorry man, wish it were cut and dry like a 12 bar blues, Sonata Allegro, Fugue, or something. Collect recordings and listen to ONLY things labeled "Solea por Buleria" and maybe it will start to make sense. Ricardo
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Date Nov. 11 2009 9:15:13
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