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Just raised the action on my R Sanches 2a f, and it doesn’t seem to have made a lot of difference, Its now 4 ½ mm from 12th fret- string bottom 6th string, also I have stuck tooth picks under the saddle to raise the bridge bone. Two questions, should the action be roughly high enough to fit a cigarette snugly under the string, what is the height of action from the great makers i.e. Reyes etc.and also there is spaces between the bone and the saddle slot, due to the tooth pick used to raise it, but there doesent seem to be any detriment to the volume or sound. I have noticed on some classicals the bridge has little arches, so the bone lies flat. But can’t hear any difference, when I have done this myself, one other thing I have used plastic in the past for the bone, and also can't hear any difference between that and bone Cheers Dave
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Date Sep. 1 2004 10:59:52
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Action (in reply to hamia)
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ORIGINAL: hamia Apart from filing down the saddle, how easy is it to correct the action of a guitar - what is involved? Presumably the neck must be readjusted. No, there is no easy adjustment you can make to the neck (with the exception of some electro-acoustic flamenco guitars, which are fitted with truss rods). The neck could be reset, but this would only be financially worth it if you had a very expensive guitar and it was basically broken. Nut height, saddle height, string gauge and to a certain extent fret height/profile are the things you can tinker with to improve the action. Its a balancing act and they work together, along with the player's preferences. Having said that, the nut has a 'correct' height it must be set at in relation to the guitar. What many people don't realise is that when a guitar is finished, it needs to be properly set up (though there is a settling in process as JIm points out). With hand made guitars, they will get a set up. With factory made guitars, they don't as it would add to the price and they need to be competitive. Therefore, anyone who buys a factory guitar will not be getting the most out of it until it has been properly set up. The difference it makes can be quite astounding, depending on how 'out' the guitar was when it left the factory. If you want to tweak this yourself and you have never done this before, I would recommend playing with a cheap guitar before you try and alter your main guitar. It takes a lot of practice and patience to file little bits of bone to within half-millimetre, and thats the kind of accuracy you need. Personally, I wouldn't bother as your local guitar tech/luthier will do a much better job and a for a small fee which is a great investment for the guitar. I don't know where you are in the world, but I just paid £25 to have a new bone saddle cut to my specifications and the nut height adjusted properly. Bargain. Jon
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Date Sep. 2 2004 8:54:42
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Action (in reply to Billyboy)
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ORIGINAL: Billyboy The thing is Jon I play a lot of Riqueni type stuff which is very classical guitar in techique, I find low action guitars are great as Buleria guitars, but if you are playing chords, and scale runs high up the neck, the sound becomes thin, OK, I see what you mean. I agree that that the low action contributes to that raspy, thinner sound that most of us aim for, and I can see why you would want a cleaner and more resonant sound for what you play. I think it would be a shame to 'de-flamenco' your Sanchis, though. Have you tried playing over the soundhole more, and digging in more with your free stroke (a more classcal technique approach, in other words.)? I was recently asked to play Cavatina at a wedding for the bride's entrance, and I used my Sanchis flamenco rather than my classical guitar. I did this as Cavatina is a bitch for the left hand, and the lower action on my S. made it much easier to play. By playing over the soundhole, and really digging in to a get a full tone, it sounded fine. Or you could save up and buy a cheap classical? Jon
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Date Sep. 2 2004 9:11:36
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RE: Action (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Jon, I don't know about your Sanchis, but I find the tension of the sound board very very slack, meaning even with D'Darrio extra hard tension strings, the action is very floppy, and playing over the sound hole is even worse. I like to dig in with the right hand, and if the action is too low arpegios, just hook on the nails. Now some guitars ive played, suit lower acion, because maybe they have more internal struts. Its a major gripe with the Sanchis, and is why I'm thinking of selling it. I have always had quite strong hands and fingers, and like the workout I get from slightly higher action. I remember trying Juan Martins Negro Conde, after a Class, and was surprised at the higher action, than norm. But I think it would be difficult to play Tomatitos stuff on such a guitar, but there is no perfect guitar I agree. Thanks Dave
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Date Sep. 3 2004 11:23:43
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