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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 15 2009 22:37:59
 
JasonMcGuire

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RE: Performance and explanation of P... (in reply to Guest

Here is a response from my teacher and dear friend Pedro Cortes. Pedro has just started his own lesson website similar to my own where he imparts his imense knowledge of flamenco. http://flamenco-classes.com/

"Ok,What is Paco de lucia Technique ? Who can say they are an authority on Paco de Lucia. No one!!!!!!!!! except Paco. First of all, unlike Manolo Sanlucar, Paco never taught any offical students...He may have given out some pointers but he never had formal students. How do I know this....well I've known Paco since he was 16 years of age. He came to the US with Jose Greco with his brother Pepe. At that time he only played all of Nino Recardo's material...he still wasn't the Paco that we know today. In NYC he met Sabicas and Mario Escudero the monsters of that era. Sabicas during that time told Paco that if he was to be great (even though he had mind boggling technique) he would have to be a creator and not sound like anyone else. At that time Paco was mind boggled and decieded to attemp to become a composer.

When he got back to Spain he recorded an album in which he recorded Impetu (composed by Mario escudero) and some new pieces that he began to compose. As a result of his meeting with Sabicas and Mario Escudero he was inspired to change his playing style and thats when he came up with his first album ( Fuente Y Caudal) that was truly all his composition. That was the begining of Paco as we know Paco today. Next time he showed up in NY he did a concert in Carnagie Hall. In fact my father (Pedro Cortes senior) accompanied Paco on his rumba Entre dos Aguas in that concert. He brought with him... on the sneak... his then girl freind Casilda who he later married and had three children with. So like I said before, I've known Paco for awhile. One lesson that I learned by my father and later on demonstrated by Paco was to have respect and to be humble, (The number one Rule)..... Here is what happened.....Paco came to NYC and Sabicas called up my father and told him, "compadre come on over, Pacito is on his way over and we are going to hang out a little." So my dad told me get ready we are going over Sabicas house and Paco is going over there also..... I was extatic!!!! Anyway to make the story short, when we got there Paco and Sabicas were playing together and Sabicas was playing incredible and Paco was accompaning Sabicas and at one point Sabicas asked Paco come on play some of your stuff!! What did Paco do? He smiled like an angel and played a bunch of Sabicas falsetas. Thats when I realized the kind of person he was....not only the monster of the new era but also a saint. He could have showed off and did some incredible picados, but no not him he just smiled and played Sabicas material.

So the first lesson Paco can teach all of us is to be humble and have respect. Now if we think about it what is technique. How do we aquire it? Well a monkey locked up in a room practising properly can learn to do Alzapua and Picado.....Technique is just may hours of scales,arpegio,alzapua,ect..... Now to play the guitar is something different....if Sabicas wouldn't have said to Paco you need to be a composer, maybe Paco wouldn't have been the monster that he is today. Why is Vicente Amigo who he is? Why is Tomatito who he is? And why is Manolo Sanlucar who he is?.... Because they are not Paco de Lucia... There is only one Paco! The Monster of this Era. So they became who they are and they play the way they feel the music not the way Paco feels it. No one can sound like Paco because what makes Paco ,Paco, is his soul not his picado.
Paco has been touched by the hand of god and there is only one Paco. So my freinds its good to strive to have Paco-like technique but don't forget to be who you are. Teachers like Jason Mcguire, Adam del Monte, Chuscales, Richard Marlow are who they are... they all sound like themselves and have lot to offer as teachers. Yes they are not Paco, but there is only one Paco. Also as students you shouldn't listen to snake charmers that hypnotize you with flashy bull$hit...rather take a look at who they have worked with....look at their track record..... thats what speaks for people not what they say, but rather who they,ve worked with.

I have worked with: La Titi, Merches Esmeralda, Manolete, Antonio Carmona (from Ketama) La Farrucita, Domingo Ortega, Lola Flores and Jose Greco. I can keep on going beacuse I have 38 years of experience. In other words.. just look at the teacher's history.... all great Flamenco Guitar Soloist have gone through many years of playing for singers and dancers. Without those skills you don't have the power or the sensitivity to become a good soloist. With all that said, let us all get along and respect each other....we all have a lot ot offer!"

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Pedro Cortes
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 15 2009 23:55:55
 
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RE: Performance and explanation of P... (in reply to JasonMcGuire

So Mr.Ruben..... harmonic analysis? My arrangement of "La Bien Paga".

http://caminosflamencos.com/bien%20paga.mp3

Maybe ToddK will be a sport and fill in? He does have a killer ear you know.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2009 0:08:44
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2009 1:35:03
 
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RE: Performance and explanation of P... (in reply to JasonMcGuire

Hey Jason, BTW good to hear that Pedro has a site now. (though shame to hear about it first in such a tense context ) I think since recently Jose Tanaka has one up as well. So including yours and Adam del Monte's, that makes 4 I can think of. Seems great that more and more teachers want to share their knowledge this way. Now there is really no more excuse similar to "nobody teaches flamenco in my area".
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2009 8:45:37
 
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RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (in reply to Guest

I see your guitar has a second soundhole, Ruben.
Is it rewarding to cut one into your guitar? I thought I might do this once.
I saw Grisha having a second soundhole in his guitar too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2009 9:23:41
 
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RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (in reply to bursche

quote:

I saw Grisha having a second soundhole in his guitar too.

But surely Paco doesn't have one?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2009 9:33:09
 
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RE: Who is who ?...Tha Real Chalenge. (in reply to Estevan

Don't know...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 17 2009 7:15:33
 
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RE: Performance and explanation of P... (in reply to Munin

Yes, I am aware of Jose Tanaka's new website as well and it looks like another well done site for learning flamenco guitar. It is however too bad that Jose insists on claiming his is "authentic" and "more clear", than other sites. Maybe its okay to boldly claim that your product is the best. I think Jose is a competent player and from what I have seen a good teacher. He is another teacher I have recommended to people in the LA area.

Even Prof. Ruben Diaz, who has directly attacked me and my abilities, I would recommend to people, as he has knowledge that can benefit students. I wish he would reciprocate that courtesy to me, but he is free to judge me as he wishes. I still maintain that he is a means of learning that would be worth a students time and money.

Of course I am partial to Pedro Cortes, since he was my teacher and most responsible for opening the doors of flamenco understanding to me. He is someone I still speak with frequently and his insight has been indispensible to me over the years. His work ethic is next to none and I know that he will have an extensive library of great lessons.

In the end. I think more choices is a good thing, especially for the students.

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