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From: Washington DC
RE: Jaleos extremeños compás (in reply to paleto3)
Basically 6's, and endings on what might feel as count 10....so yeah pretty much just like normal bulerias or bulerias from jerez. There are details in the compas groove and things that make it different, and of course the melody of the cante is unique, and how you play the chords for it.
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From: San Diego, CA
RE: Jaleos extremeños compás (in reply to Ricardo)
Thanks Ricardo.
I read an interview in a book called Jaleos Extremeños and Tangos Extremeños by Perico de la Paula (the book with a picture of a hand on a cane on one side and a singers open mouth on the other). The interviewee remained anonymous, but counts it in 3s, I have the feeling he's a traditionalist but knows the Extremadura cantes very, very well. There's not a lot of info describing it in detail available on line. I also read David Leiva's Método de Cante y Baile y su Acompañamiento vol. 1 and it's counted in 12s, even though the accents are every 6 beats.
A bit confusing to say the least. I was curious how people count it in practice, in dance studios or in formal classes like those Núñez teaches. I wonder if there are regional divisions in how it's counted?
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RE: Jaleos extremeños compás (in reply to Ricardo)
Can various chord progressions be used and it would still be a Jaleos, keeping the rhythmic structure? I would venture that the answer depends upon who is answering the question and how far out one took it, right?
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RE: Jaleos extremeños compás (in reply to paleto3)
There are some standard chords, you can use them to give the proper aire, but like I said, for me it is about the cante. You change the feel and chords if that type of letra is to be sung in a dance say where you might also have some 'normal" bulerias de jerez. Anyway, typically you don't count it anyway you just feel it. For example the 12,2,4,6,8,10 etc might just be counted 1,2,3, where 12 and 6 land on "1" everytime. That is an example but it really depends on the feel you want. A characteristic also is the chromatic descending chord progression on 12,2,4....C-B-Bb, then the rest of the compas is A. That is an example, and of course you hear that also in normal bulerias sometimes. Hard to pin down the hard "rules", when it is all about context, who is dancing singing or playing, etc.
Listen to Paco's almoraima album. Both the opening groove and falsetas of the bulerias AND the "jaleo" tracks are pretty much interchangeable, and in fact during that time any live footage shows how he interprets a mix of those falsetas in his "bulerias" guitar solo. Sort of like Solea por medio vs Solea por bulerias, the guitar does essentially the same things with subtle detail of variation or speed or groove. In the end the real difference is made between these forms by the singing, not the guitar necessarily.
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From: San Diego, CA
RE: Jaleos extremeños compás (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
it is about the cante. Hard to pin down the hard "rules", when it is all about context, who is dancing singing or playing, etc.
I think this applies all over the place, I just wanted to get a feel for what could be done as solo music. No one here (San Diego) has choreographed a Jaleos with dance and cante that I can remember since about the late 1980s or early 90s. I suspect it has been done, but I haven't seen it and haven't had the chance to learn about it from anyone.
I have a youngish singer who I think would be up for the challenge, but she's disappearing to Sevilla soon to take classes, great for her and us when she returns. The Ritmo Flamenco Rhythm cds have a pretty good one on them I can play along with, but there aren't that many recorded. I have been playing along with and learning the one sung by Remedios Amaya and Vicente Amigo, which I like a lot.
The Pepe Habichuela one is a bit repetitive but gives a good idea also.
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