Foro Flamenco

Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out

Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.

Learning from Solo Compas CDs?   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1]
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>

Posts: 83
Joined: Jan. 30 2008
From: USA

Learning from Solo Compas CDs? 

How does a guitarist learn from the Solo Compas CDs if they don't know the chords that are being played?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 27 2009 8:22:28
mark indigo


Posts: 3625
Joined: Dec. 5 2007

RE: Learning from Solo Compas CDs? (in reply to cigany

just listen.... for a couple of years.... then you will start to get it!

sorry, it's kind of a joke, but it's kind of serious too, you can't listen to this stuff too much.

listen to the "palo con guitarra" tracks, and the escobilla tracks etc., very repetitive, and very simple, and very necessary to master

just off the top of my head, if you listen to the "tangos con guitarra" tracks, it's mostly B flat and A.... maybe a C chucked in occasionally.

the solea escobillas are mostly, if not all, F (maj7), C, F, E

if you don't know these chords, or how they work in compas, get a basic/beginners flamenco book/DVD

edit; ok, i just checked, the Tangos (2) is capo 3,

Bflat, A,
Bflat, A
Bflat, C(9),
Bflat, A

the solea uses the basic "escobilla" falseta that is in all the beginning methods, or varations of, and the chords i mentioned above, capo 6

the solea por buleria is A to Bflat and back to A all within a compas (capo 2), with some Bflat, C(9), Bflat, A compas'

the alegrias (2) is E - B7, B7 - E within a compas (capo on 2), and occasionally a C thrown in, E - B7, C - B7 - E, again within a compas, and sometimes there is a compas of A - E - B7 - E (it starts with this). also there is E maj7 sometimes, which gives it a slightly different sound
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 27 2009 10:34:18
mark indigo


Posts: 3625
Joined: Dec. 5 2007

RE: Learning from Solo Compas CDs? (in reply to mark indigo

was that helpful at all?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2009 12:24:41

Posts: 83
Joined: Jan. 30 2008
From: USA

RE: Learning from Solo Compas CDs? (in reply to cigany

Thanks Mark. This is helpful. I think I've been spoiled by tabs and need to learn to hear the chords instead of "see" them. Use my ears instead of eyes. Your chords will get me started now. Thanks again.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 3 2009 6:52:32


Posts: 148
Joined: Nov. 7 2008
From: San Diego, CA

RE: Learning from Solo Compas CDs? (in reply to cigany


You got it right on the money. You need to learn to hear it, not see it. Doing that will take lots of time but pay off hugely in the long run.

I use Transcribe! software to control the tempo so I can slow down a section if I need to. Occasionally, I use the marker feature to write in the compás for a section I am working on and then loop it to practice it over and over.

But you were exactly right, learn to hear.

Figure out what the key is by finding the chord to which others resolve, then you'll know most of the chords through just that.

Escuela de Flamenco is also helpful.

Good luck,

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 3 2009 12:00:33

Posts: 5078
Joined: Apr. 10 2005

RE: Learning from Solo Compas CDs? (in reply to cigany

I heard some of the solo compas CDs. Always in dance studios.. I think they are made mainly for dance and not for learning guitar.
Some of them are very useful to understand the structure of the palos, but there are many not normal things included here and there taht make it hard for the beginner (And even some more experienced "dancers"... )
Lately I had an experience with a dance-teacher. Shes teaching tientos-tangos and I play for her class.
Tientos tangos is not very difficult and even easier to play for a beginners class, you just have to stick to the most traditional basics of tientos and they will understand it fastly.
But in the second copla we got a big problem. There is no singer in the class, so I cant follow him through the coplas that are sometimes a bit special. So, I played the traditional progression. There are 2 a longer one and a shorter one. Both didnt fit to the coreograpy... She always ended on a media compas and got asynchron to me at the switch to tangos...
Then after a while she told me she made the coreograpy for a solo compas track.... I asked her to play the track and I played alsong with the track. We quickly found out,,... they played a very strange media compas in the second copla of tientos... but the teacher didnt recognized this and thought Im playing false compas all the time.

After hearing that I fixed the problem and we were able to go on. But this was very stressy to get told "he you are playing false, what are you doing?? Concentration!"..And it is not my fault.. I cant tell her in front of her pupils that she maybe missed some media compases,... because I dont want her to loose her face... You know,.. no spaniard would let a foreigner tell them where and why something doesnt fit with the compas.. They are too pride in general.

Fazit: Solo compas is good, but check out what they are doing before using it. There are some "special" variations hidden without any comments.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 3 2009 13:59:48
Page:   [1]
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1]
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts

Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

6.640625E-02 secs.