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Ron.M

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

quote:

the thread is now open to anyone to comment, discuss and complain (if they need to )


My complaint is that the Beginner's Challenge has been handled somewhat shoddily in comparison to the Intermediate Challenge.

Nobody was quite sure if they were judging or not and although the judging closed at 10am NY time, it is now almost 20.00 GMT and no final results have been posted.

Would this be acceptable in the Advanced Challenge?


cheers,

Ron
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Ailsa

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

...gone..... too easy to misunderstand what I said. My later post says it better.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 11:54:09
 
alex_lord

 

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

I think everyone is still recovering from the Intermediate challenge. Might be a good idea to space these further apart in the future
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 12:01:01
 
gj Michelob

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to alex_lord

Batman (alex_lord) 191
Deadpool (Andresito) 121
Gambit (Ailsa) 147
Human Torch (Pablo) 134
Nick Fury (Doug) 153
Superman (Aleksi) 166
The Thing (domzo) 100

The winner is Batman (alex_lord)! Congratulations!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 12:35:09
 
Ailsa

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

Congrats to everyone! Well done Alex - you were obviously the winner, I heard it as soon as I opened the mp3! You too Aleksi - a well-deserved runner up (and you still get a great prize - one month with Jason's site!)

Well done too to my fellow not-winners (we are not losers ) We all made the effort to enter and next time we will be better. So I wanna see you all in the Beginners Solea Challenge - final details announced this weekend.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 12:47:54
 
aleksi

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

concratulation alex_lord. Well played.
concratulations to all superheroes. Everybody did a great job imo.
Big up for the judges, flo and gjm, such a nice thing you organiced.
This was an exiting experience , I'm happy it continues with the solea challange.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 12:50:54
 
Arash

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

Congrats everyone! And congrats Alex_lord.
I thought that this one was somewhere between beginner and pre-intermediate, and not really absolute beginner.
So, great job everyone!

(i dont know most of the participants well and dont know how long they play guitar, so it is difficult to say someone is winner and the other one is not. It depends how long you have been in to flamenco. So, everyone is somehow a winner imo).

Ole!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 13:06:29
 
gj Michelob

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

My complaint is that the Beginner's Challenge has been handled somewhat shoddily in comparison to the Intermediate Challenge.
Nobody was quite sure if they were judging or not and although the judging closed at 10am NY time, it is now almost 20.00 GMT and no final results have been posted.
Would this be acceptable in the Advanced Challenge?


I am so sorry, this is exclusively my fault. Although I took this later competition quite seriously, I have been remarkably busy and could not keep my promise to post results by 10 am this morning.

I was in criminal court, and the interest I was protecting was overwhelmingly more important. However, I cannot help but feeling guilty to the eager participants. Please accept my apology.

Perhaps, I should stop offering my volatile services. Irene too was very agitated by this post. I explained to her the old saying "no good deed goes unpunished".

This is my last post on this forum.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:25:52
 
kovachian

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

This is my last post on this forum.
Last post here in this thread, or last post of FF? If the latter, that doesn't seem necessary?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:32:07
 
Gummy

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

Hopefully you mean last post on this thread only. I think it all went well. We are all doing this for fun and people should not get so impatient about things. I was going to submit an entry but had to travel.(I'm in Shanghai now) I love flamenco and am thankful for any efforts members have made to make this a better forum. Thanks for your efforts specifically.
Rod
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:38:39
 
Kate

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

quote:

ORIGINAL: gj Michelob
Perhaps, I should stop offering my volatile services. Irene too was very agitated by this post. I explained to her the old saying "no good deed goes unpunished".

This is my last post on this forum.


I hope not. Both you and Irene have done a marvelous job organising these challenges, and you have become an integral participant in the forum. It would be a shame and would spoil the good feeling we have all had from these challenges. It is totally understandable that you had other commitments that took priority. We have to be a little bit flexible here in the virtual world with us all on different time zones.

If you decide you cant stay then our best wishes go with you and thank you for everything you have done, and that goes for Irene too.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:42:54
 
Ailsa

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

Hi gj,

I'm sorry that both you and Irene were upset by this. I don't think it was really your fault, I think a lot of the judges forgot to judge - they thought their job was finished after the intermediate challenge! But we can learn from that, and in future competitions can set a deadline for closing judging and send them lots of reminders.

As a participant I'm not too worried about the delay because we all knew that Batman had won, and rightly so. Really not a big deal. You both did a great job, and you were the first so had to design the process from scratch. I on the other hand, will shamelessly copy all the good things you did!

Best

Ailsa

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:43:44
 
mrMagenta

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

Funny that both winners are named Alex (Aleksi) :-) Congratulations to you both.

Michelob! Leave?? Nonsense! You've done a super job. Small glitches are to be expected.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 14:52:14
 
alex_lord

 

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

I have a long speech below that I was typing up when the drama started, so I thought I’d say a few words on that subject first.

gj Michelob: I am positive that everyone here appreciates your (and Irene’s) contributions. It is a wonderful thing when people go out of their way to do something for others. I am certain that you read more into Ron’s message than he had intended to convey. Even if you didn’t, Ron is just one man. This forum is made up of hundreds if not thousands. In a setting like this, the community matters, not individual opinions. Your contributions are to the community and, as always, not everyone will be satisfied. This has to be accepted as part of human nature.

Without further ado, here is my now somewhat bittersweet, acceptance speech.

Thanks everyone!

First of all I want to thank Florian and gj Michelob for organizing and conducting this challenge, as well as Jason and the anonymous capo contributor for the prizes. It was a great and well-executed idea. This is the kind of thing that elevates an anonymous online meeting place to a real community. I hope that this is just the beginning of a regular feature on this forum.

<music starts playing quietly>


Second, I want to thank all the judges for their feedback. This was my primary motivation for jumping into this at the last minute. Every criticism was spot on and I now know exactly what I need to work on for the next couple of months. I don’t know what Ron was drinking when he listened to my entry, but I thank him for momentarily (over)inflating my ego

Next, I want to thank my fellow contestants. Without you there would not be a competition. Obviously we are all on slightly different levels, so it is very hard to judge fairly. I can tell that everyone worked hard and I am very impressed with all of your entries. In particular, when I listened to Aleksi’s, I thought he had me beat for sure in terms of flamenco vibe (sound, aire).

<loud music>


Finally, I want to thank all the members for making this a real community. It is rare to encounter such a combination of expertise, passion, and willingness to contribute. I can not believe that I waited so long to participate. I’ve only been active here for two weeks, but I feel that I have already improved more than I had in the previous 6 months. I look forward to actively participating.

<pulled off stage>

Ole!
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at_leo_87

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

don't go!
it'd be a BIG loss to not have your contributions anymore. morale would suffer too.
these challenges wouldn't have been possible without you.

To alex lord:
*clapping loudly*
ole! good job,amigo!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 15:27:48
 
El_flaco

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to at_leo_87

Congratulations Alex & Aleksi
(what's this that DC beat Marvel?????) Apparently it's the justice League

Thanks also to all the judges. It was great to get comments back on my playing.

Gj & Irene -
Thank you very much for all your effort and hardwork. I really appreciate all the time that you have dedicated to both challenges (while working and having a normal life) I wish we could give you both a prize. I can mail you something small from Nicaragua if you want? Oh, wait I just thought about the perfect gift. pm me your mailing address. Thanks again.

Pablo/Human Torch/El_Flaco

p.s. I don't have a lot of money, but I can send postcards to the judges if they want. PM your mailing address to me.
Yes, I'll send it to you, even though you didn't pick me for first place.

Yes Pimientito, we are still holding hands & singing
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 16:35:53
 
at_leo_87

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to El_flaco

quote:


p.s. I don't have a lot of money, but I can send postcards to the judges if they want. PM your mailing address to me.
Yes, I'll send it to you, even though you didn't pick me for first place.


you should have done this BEFORE the challenge! that way, you would have won!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 17:14:55
 
Florian

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to at_leo_87

quote:

My complaint is that the Beginner's Challenge has been handled somewhat shoddily in comparison to the Intermediate Challenge.

Nobody was quite sure if they were judging or not and although the judging closed at 10am NY time, it is now almost 20.00 GMT and no final results have been posted.

Would this be acceptable in the Advanced Challenge?


cheers,

Ron


Fair enough ... its my fault i shouldnt have said feel free to complain lol i meant..if you feel you were scored wrong

Ron the problem is , you have been spoiled ..the intermediate was oraganized too good ( if i may say so myself it was text book)...went too perfect and this just went normal..i gues the deadlines were too close togheder, yes i was a litlle bit spent out, sorry couldnt help it, i tried to hide it and make myself snap out of it, i knew that the members that put in all the practice deserved my full enthusiasm and energy......i recomended a way longher brake between the deadlines so that everyone involved had a litlle time to recover, relax, get reorganized..when i was setting them, but members involved insisted that they would lose the momentum.....so i didnt push the issue..i should have but i only susspected this would happen, i didnt know for sure

No stuff like this probably wont be acceptable in the advanced because whomever organizes has the luxury of watching someone do it before them and take the good stuff and leave out the mistakes..its alot eazyer to know where you going when you been there once or twice before we were the test monkies in space lol..

Ron i wish you had stoped, taken a second before you made that post and take a look around you, look at the new posts and new threads, think of the effort that was put in ( for weeks both Michelob and myself went way our of our way, for weeks now, organizing, planing, pming judges,asking judges, reminding judges.. chasing prizes, not just a couple of days).. balance out in your head the benefit of your comment....vs what was achived, all you have to do is take a look around you to see that..
but i know you didnt mean it as harshly as Michelob seems to have taken it, i just wish that you took a second and analyzed what good can come out of it thats all Michelob is not used to your bluntness..
I hope you explain that...atleast to him



You did great Michelob, thank you very much, i appreciated you help so so much ! dont you take the blame lol...if anyone deserves the blame it was me
I am sorry i was out when this was happening or i would have jumped right in and taken all the blame, spare you whatever you might have had to read that upset you..? rons critique was directed am me amigo, you were just helping me out, i accept full responserliberty

honest ... you were absoluteley spot on everytime, u have more then exceeded you duties by 150%, thank you amigo and ofcourse thank you Irene.

I would be heartborken if you left..

Also whomever questioned Michelobs dedication ( if anyone?) should be aware that he is the silent sponsor that out of the kindness of his heart donated..the Cejilas and postage...for the winner of Beginner and Intermediate and Advanced, before anyone else donated anything..and for absoluteley no benefit to himself since he inssisted that he didnt wanna be credited for it..

about $80 each plus postage thats around $300 ..thats generosity in its finest and purest form..and again it wasent to score points with anyone...he inssisted i didnt tell anyone it was him

for Absoluteley no reason but to see you all happy, he inspired me to do this challenge better than i ever would have without him

I am sorry i know you didnt want me to tell people but i felt it needed to be said ...under the circumstances




At the end of the day what really happened ? one or 2 judges werent sure if they were judging..they were all informed about 10 times that they are judging the intermediate and the beginner..including at the very end of the intermediate scores thread...only about 2 or 3 days before this was uploaded..i didnt have time to send everysingle one another pm ..figured 2 or 3 days is not that long to remember..and most did

and the scores went up a few hours late...so what, big deal, this is not the olimpics, some things came up ...it happens..








Congratulation to the members taking part..well done, all of you...thank you to the judges, speciall thank you to Jason and Michelob

Congratulations ALex and Aleksi

Alex...that was a beautiful speach amigo..you are a true gentleman and champion, your humbleness is an inspiration to me on a personal level... OLE TO YOU

all of you were absoluteley great, good sports, encouraging to eachother, humble, and just a pleasure to watch the way you interact with eachother..you have all brought with you the nice fresh new athomsphere and attitude this forum should stride allways for..you are a great addition

when it comes to the way u interact with eachother and encourage and lift eachother...as far as i am concerned you guys are the advanced...and I and perhaps few others ? will sitt and learn from you

thank you

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 17:30:23
 
cathulu

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

gj, do I have to flood your email box? I will if I have to - you are not leaving! I demand it!!! And Irene has been awesome also. Ron is a bit blunt at times, that is why he is cool in my book. This is just a simple misunderstanding.

We can't have everyone threatening to leave with their last post on the forum. Seriously, come back and don't stick to some high principles, you are a lawyer are you not!

PS congrats to all the beginners, you are not beginners in my book! Congrats Alex, Canada wins again!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 18:16:42
 
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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

quote:

the forum has gonne "challenge crazy " atm (good)



Thats right. But I think we should end our actual challenges at first before starting more. If you eat your favourite meal every day... it will get normal and boring in future.. So lets dont overdo it.

Actual challenges at the moment are:

this one here
advanced challenge
flamenco-lessons advanced challenge
beginners Solea challenge

Thats pretty much.


I totally agree and I think that what can be read in this thread shows that Doitsujin is right.
I´ve been a lurker on both the intermediate and the beginners challenge and it has been a real pleassure and a very possitive thing for the forum. BUT I dont think its a good idea to overdo it. Just like I wouldnt like to have christmas every second day and new year every other day.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 21:22:10
 
Florian

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

I totally agree and I think that what can be read in this thread shows that Doitsujin is right.
I´ve been a lurker on both the intermediate and the beginners challenge and it has been a real pleassure and a very possitive thing for the forum. BUT I dont think its a good idea to overdo it. Just like I wouldnt like to have christmas every second day and new year every other day.



well i guess but you shouldnt tell a group of people who are enthused about doing it themselfs to not do it..from what i see they are, doing it, organizing it, they into it..no problem

i could see your point and would agree with you if they werent into it or doing it half heartedly..but it appears that they are driven and commited..dont put off something that has momentum now for something that may or may not happen or have momentum in the future..

you dont know whats gonna happen if it will happen again for sure in the future...noone can predict it

the right time is whenever they are into it..that appears to be now ( if they are , if they want)

the only things that i suggest to consider is to not make so many different topics for the same thing cause now with all the other challenges it can create quite a litlle bit of confusion and crazines lol..keep each challenge on the 1 thread, 1 title...two at the max one for the pre and one for the mp3 entries

and alternate organizers/judges etc.. in between challenges or give them time to get renthusiastic...as the organizer will probably be spent after planning

i know it sounds crazy and it dosent sound like hard work but you mix this with your own life, work, practice, rehershals, gigs..somehow lose your energy and feel like you just hosted the olimpics

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 22:03:13
 
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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Florian

Firstly congratulations to Alex and to all the other participants in the beginners' challenge for having a go!
Thank you to the judges and organizers for your time, interest, encouragement and constructive comments
Thanks to all foro members for taking an interest too.

As a final note may I suggest that the winners be BANNED FOR LIFE from entering any more beginners' challenges!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 22:17:33
 
at_leo_87

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Florian

quote:


Also whomever questioned Michelobs dedication ( if anyone?) should be aware that he is the silent sponsor that out of the kindness of his heart donated..the Cejilas and postage..


wow, i can see how he might feel a bit unappreciated. what a nice guy, really. we need more stand up fellows like him in this world.

on the topic of competition frequency, maybe we can do a cycle. one competition a month in sequential order, one at a time. this might make things more manageable. so beginners this month, intermediate next month, then advanced. just do a cycle.

should we open a new thread to discuss what we've learned from these challenges and what we can do differently next time? i feel like there's three different conversations here.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 6 2009 22:25:13
 
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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

My complaint is that the Beginner's Challenge has been handled somewhat shoddily in comparison to the Intermediate Challenge.

Nobody was quite sure if they were judging or not and although the judging closed at 10am NY time, it is now almost 20.00 GMT and no final results have been posted.

Would this be acceptable in the Advanced Challenge?


No it will not be accepted to be late in the advanced challenge. It will all be done very precisely as it is planned. There are clear deadlines for sending the audios and the results, as for posting the results. The prices are quite expensive...and the callengers work hard for that. Its a big thing for me to get it done smoothly.
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quote:

original gj Michelob:

I was in criminal court, and the interest I was protecting was overwhelmingly more important. However, I cannot help but feeling guilty to the eager participants. Please accept my apology.


Accepted. Work is more imporant than the challenges here. Everyone should accept this. Michelob, dont let a single post worry so much. But you dont look for a reason to quit the foro because you dont want to say, that the foro takes too much of your time? Yes, reading the foro sometimes takes a bit too much time.. I only read threads which interest me.

Last but not least.
I´ll post some more stats a little later. I´m sick today with 37,8 celsius... I post the stats earlyer if I manage to rob over to my stand alone pc with the windows office... The office08 for mac doesnt have the options I need for that.. Well... thats a + for using windows... haha.. Amazing.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 7 2009 0:30:19
 
Ron.M

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

quote:

Please accept my apology.


Sure gj,

It's no reason to resign your membership though.

I just felt that this Challenge had a kind of mist of miscommunication about it as to dates and judging etc compared to the Intermediate Challenge.

If I had been a competitor, I'd have felt that I was getting third rate treatment because I was only a beginner and should just shut up and be grateful for anything I might receive.

My post was not specifically directed to you gj, but as a general "heads-up" to organisers and judges for future challenges.

My feeling is that if entrants are good enough to spend their time taking part, then it's our duty to see that they get properly treated.

As folk say gj, I tend to cut to the chase and be rather direct with my comments, so don't take any personal offence and don't leave the Forum.

I understand your position and there is no need to apologise to anyone.

On the contrary amigo...we are all very grateful for your time and generosity and we all wish you to stay.

(I fear you were perhaps still "pumped up" from your court room drama when you wrote your post! I hope so anyway gj!)

OK?

cheers,

Ron

Edit: No my post wasn't directed at you either Flo, or anyone in particular actually.

I think the lesson to be learned from this is to be better organised with more realistic deadlines etc that meet folk's other real life commitments to work and family etc.

So before embarking on "challenge mania", I'd rather see a few well organised competitions rather than heaps of chaotic ones myself.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 7 2009 1:33:25
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

quote:



My post was not specifically directed to you gj, but as a general "heads-up" to organisers and judges for future challenges.


This is how I read it as well and I didn´t find it to be to harsh or anything else. Do we have a cultural problem here? Those of us with genes in to the rude North sea are known to be VERY direct in our laguage.

Florian, I agree with you and I wasn´t thinking about stopping anything of course. I just felt that Doits post was very relevant.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 7 2009 1:56:43
 
Florian

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Anders Eliasson

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This is how I read it as well and I didn´t find it to be to harsh or anything else. Do we have a cultural problem here? Those of us with genes in to the rude North sea are known to be VERY direct in our laguage


i didnt think it was that harsh either and and i know Ron didnt direct it at anyone specific however Michelob and I were the only ones organizing it lol..its just nice to have him make an effort to put Michelob and Irene at eaze..Irene is a guest who dosent know us but has gonne out of her way putting an effort in to help us..we could look a tad bit ungrateful...however you read it and wherever you are from..

She dosent owe us anything and she dosent know Ron or how blunt he is
all she knows is that she did all this stuff for us, renamed files, uploaded it thats probably not in her job description and looks back in and sees some of us complain like spoiled litlle children ( see..i can do blunt too ) blunt is eazy, anyone can do it..taking time to proprelly analize the situation, balance it in your head, weigh in the possible outcome, getting your point across and the desired effect out of people without even risking them beeing made to feel bad in anyway ...but they wanna do it with a smile on their face..takes a litlle more skill

Beginners didnt get second treatment because they were beginners they got it because they were the second ones in the cycle if anything...but i dont think they did..

sure my drive wasent recuperated ...but they got the same treatment

absoluteley the same conditions, same prizes, same judges, took approx the same amount of time to score them 3 days, got more feedback from judges..

so it took a few hours extra to put the scores up because of work...seems to me like absoluteley everyone who should be indisposed seems to be understanding of that ....its not like the scores were hidden and someone just dying to know the scores and couldnt wait for us couldnt find out, they have been here all along lol..i bet everyone in the challenge added up their scores way before the deadline even came..i know i would

the only reason the Intermediate was rushed in that part of it was because we had the deadline to meet so that it didnt interfear with this..

we were more comfortable on time on this one....

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If I had been a competitor, I'd have felt that I was getting third rate treatment because I was only a beginner and should just shut up and be grateful for anything I might receive.


well if i was a competitor, i would appreciate the work and hours ( took me 3 hours of messing around just to make the handwritting on Herreros Tablature more readable in paint shop pro...number by number and that was just one instance) and planning and prizes, motivation and feedback, and judging, the fun, the oportunity, the new addition to their repertoir


and they seem to do, and i appreciate that our efforts are appreciated, so everyone is happy..so theres no need to make a problem where there isnt one theres no need to end it on a negative note for no reason..

everything that was set out was achived

sometimes things in life dont always go as planned, big deal..you deal with it .. you work with what you have you dont turn around and start pointing fingers at those that have tried to do something for you..

anyway i am runing late for a gig and i dont know how to get there


as you say cheers


anyway i am not mad or upset but if it was me i would have exercised a different approach..if i feeld strongly about this i woild have made it as a suggestion in pm so that it dosent embarass the guy. or waited till the next challenge and make it as something to plan for instead of in a place where theres nothing anyone can do about it anymore.. and nothing good can come of it..the only thing possible that might come of it is that someone migh unecesarely get offended..take the scenario, circumstances, think a few steps ahead not just the imediate next step

the only thing that was achived is that Michelob feels unapreciated and it wil probably be a long time before any of us go out of our way again ...


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Florian, I agree with you and I wasn´t thinking about stopping anything of course. I just felt that Doits post was very relevant.


thats fine, i said the same thing as you and Doit but that was before i realised how driven and motivated and organized they were ..and also how comited Ailisa was to it..so now i just take a step back and admire them..and encourage and help however i can

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gj Michelob

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Florian

Thank you all for the warm encouragement to reconsider my impulsive resignations. I am embarrassed I caused this distraction at a time when we should have praised the completion of the competition and its participants. I suppose Ron is correct in realizing that I reacted to his post under the pressure of a rather hard day. It really was.

While I am tempted to indulge in analytical explanations, I realize how childish such futile exercise could be. I love this forum and its lively constituency, including its administration .
We did well with the competitions, after all, and there is still fun to hope and work for.

One final point, I wouldn’t be into flamenco if I didn’t have a dash of hot-temper. I thank you for not holding it against me.

[ps… Florian, I love you amigo, but you betrayed me!!! lol… however you almost got me into tears when I read your (betraying) post.

Let’s carry on now.
Sorry, thank you, etc.

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Ailsa

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to gj Michelob

Yay!! gjm is back with us!!



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 7 2009 7:40:52
 
ricecrackerphoto

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RE: BEGINNERS' CHALLENGE Entries Mp3 (in reply to Ron.M

i want to thank everyone, especially flo, gj, jason and the anonymous benefactor, for making these happen.

i am one of those players that need the pressure of a deadline to make me focus.

i hope these challenges continue and become institutional as they provide a goal based structure and it really has raised the level of participation with all of these submissions. its like a workshop now and its great to attach sounds and styles to members.

doug
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