mark indigo -> RE: Some Alegrias questions (Jan. 18 2009 13:58:34)
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I'm a bit shame faced to be asking nerdy questions the more nerdy questions you ask, the less shame-faced i feel about asking nerdy questions![:D] and my knowledge is full of holes[:(] isn't that what the foro is for, asking nerdy questions?[:D] i didn't know that about the origin of the quote:
"triti triti tran tran tran" i assumed it was just the alegria equivalent of "aye-ee" in other palos/cantes, but as there's a bit more to it, ie it's several lines, the story you heard makes sense, i would love to know the true origin quote:
I've understood Silencio to mean no singing - just the guitar. that makes sense to me, though i've understood it to mean the dancer doesn't do any (loud) footwork (and the marking seems fairly subdued), hence "silencio" - maybe it's both? and i thought it was called "Campanas" because that describes the typical guitar work, rather than it's called "Bells" (campanas meaning bells) and the guitar then does something that imitates that.... (does that make sense? i mean the guitar played something, and the name came after to describe what the guitar sounded like, rather than the name came first and then the guitar did something to sound like the name) and/but it's not like those opening grace note tremelo-pulgar downstrokes are unique to silencio in alegrias - they are often used in solea F-E-F on beats 7-8-9 as well as trad beginning of granaina, and in taranta etc. not sure if that backs up what i put above or works against it.... quote:
Why is the Castellana called the Castellana? i have also heard the Castellana called "Paseo De Castilla" so maybe that's something to do with it.... maybe the origin of that section is it was a bit of some dance from Castilla that got incorporated.... just an idea, i'd love to know the actual reason quote:
the guitar is "tapeada" i always wondered what the the right term for; quote:
playing rhythm only, on damped strings was - someone was trying to tell me it was called something which sounded like "T'Pau" to me (80's pop group), which i doubted, seeing as i don't think he knows anything much more than me.... but i think he picked it up in spain, so i don't know.... is that how it's pronounced (t'pow)? or is it more like "tapeá"? a bit like "soleá"? quote:
The subida is not particuler to Alegria. it occurs in siguirilla, tangos etc and is simply a footwork section that speeds up the term "subida" is one i know and use, and also understand it to mean the "speeding up" section (usually in the footwork) in any dance, alegria, solea, tientos, taranto etc before going into the macho/remate of bulerias/buleria/tangos/tangos respectively there's another one, do you use "macho" or "remate" or some other term for, for example, a buleria at the end of a solea or a tango at the end of a tiento? quote:
collatia never heard this one, any idea how it translates? quote:
I'm interested to but have no dance class to play for!! stu, the best thing to do is find a dance class that already has a guitarist who will let you "sit in" with them. just find the nearest dance class, contact the teacher and ask if you can get in touch with the guitarist to ask, or just go along either before or after the class and ask the guitarist. maybe he will give you a few lessons and teach you any specifics of the choreography, or just let you play along and pick it up that way. quote:
Maybe you mean cierres? AFAIK a remate can consist of multiple llamadas. Or was it vice versa? i would love to know the specific definitions of these (preferably with sound clips [8|]). what i do know is, when the dancer goes "bang, bang, bang" or "bangada,bangada,bang" or something like that, i do the same on the guitar, and when they do the big stop at the end of 1, 2 or 3 compases i stop to - and i call it a "llamada" or "call" but i also know that the "llamada" is the "call" for the singer to come in, often after a falseta or something, and that "cierre" means "close" so is that at the end of something, like a piece of footwork, when the dancer wants to "close" that for the singer to do another letra? would really like to get my head round these terms, which are mostly names for things i already do, but i think it would tighten up my ability learn new choreographies and to anticipate and generally know what's coming next if i had these terms sorted, like i could percieve the sections better and that sort of thing phew, long post, but this thread is just too interesting btw i'm doing the alegria course next month in london that Ailsa has been advertising, so if we don't have answers on here by then i'll ask TC
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