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Doitsujin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 8 2007 16:26:54)

English is strange. Isnt cock another word for dick? And dick another word for cock? Why are there parents that call their sons Dick? Why are there drinks which are called cocktails? And isnt that funny that pilots work in a cockpit???? [&:]

My post was just a chain o thoughts which came into my mind when thinking about the (for me new) word "cocking... Its just another word of the doublemaeaning words which I dont understand..

Well forget my post. I just wanted to throw some offtopic in to see what happens. Well,.. eehm.. yes. .. forget it.



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koella -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 8 2007 19:45:52)

Doit, what about "schwanz". They have double-meaning words in every language I guess.[:)]



Ricardo -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 8 2007 21:30:03)

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Well forget my post. I just wanted to throw some offtopic in to see what happens. Well,.. eehm.. yes. .. forget it.


I just want to tease you because homophobia as you often exhibit, is usually the first sign before coming out of the closet.[&o][:D][:D][:D]



Doitsujin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 8 2007 21:32:32)

Well, yes. In german are tons of strange words with doublemeanings. Ok, that was interesting. Lets fade back to "flipping"fngers or without flip...[&:]



Ricardo -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 8 2007 21:34:38)

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Lets fade back to "flipping"fngers or without flip...

Oh no man, flipping someone the finger is a hand gesture that says "F you!!". "Flicking" is a better word.



Ron.M -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 20:42:55)

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English is strange. Isnt cock another word for ****? And **** another word for cock? Why are there parents that call their sons ****? Why are there drinks which are called cocktails? And isnt that funny that pilots work in a cockpit????


Doit,
You are obsessed with gays and male genetalia! [:D][:D][:D]

I remember once going up to the bar and seeing a bottle of liquor called "BOLS".

I thought it quite pornographic, or thought at least pretty anti-establishment anyway, so I was quite intrigued.
(These were the Monty Python years remember.)

I was tempted to have a try-taste of it, but I was in with a girlfriend and couldn't get up the courage to ask for two of them!..[:D]

cheers

Ron



Ron.M -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 20:52:02)

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Doing rasgueados without loading will always result in a half-ass rasgueo, no matter who you are. If anyone disagrees, post a clip of a total free-fingers approach and prepare to be creamed.


Yak,
I don't think anybody could really "cream" this??

I don't see any "cocking" going on there?

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/flamenco/video/x10e5l_camaron-y-ramon-de-algeciras-tangos

Good camera angles!

cheers

Ron



koella -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 21:08:24)

Ron, BOLS is a dutch type of liquor. It's called "jenever". You have "old jenever"and "young jenever". I never understood the difference. It's not very popular these days and concidered as an old man's drink. There are many jenever brands in Holland like bols, klarijn and berenburger. I guess it's our whiskey. This concludes a dutch cultural lesson on forgetting our daily troubles.[:D]



Ron.M -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 21:34:47)

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This concludes a dutch cultural lesson on forgetting our daily troubles.


I've got many at the moment, so wouldn't mind any other interesting lessons on Dutch or (any other) cultures. [:D][:D]

cheers

Ron



Doitsujin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 22:04:01)

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Doit,
You are obsessed with gays and male genetalia!

Well.. ehm.. Maybe Im a gay-magnet...?[&o] Poor me... Well,.. but I can say, If I buy clothes which women should like... I would prefer Gay-sellers from now on. I made some experiences with these clothes I buyed there. And they were so nice. I got a drink while waiting.[:)] Thats unusual.



koella -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 10 2007 22:04:28)

I dont know what kind of troubles you have Ron, but I have many tiny ones too, at the moment.
You know liquor is not the answer. It never is..[8|]

Wine is !! [8D]



Skai -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 11 2007 14:05:56)

I personally don't 'cock'! LOL! How did this discussion bounce back here again?! [:D] Haven't been into flamenco for some time now, just haven't had the extra time. Just decided to drop by to see how things were.

Cheers to all,
Cheston



Florian -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 11 2007 15:25:34)

Hi man :-) good to see you again

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Haven't been into flamenco for some time now, just haven't had the extra time.


I really hope u dont take this the wrong way, but if it was that eazy , perhaps u never were, cause its like a drug, once in theres no out, its not exactly something u are "Into" its more like something that gets into you and dosent ever leave you alone.




but absoluteley nothing wrong with that..u are probably very good at classical, serious no direspect intended, there was no other threads tonight so i joined this, if what i said offends u il take it down.

then again i dont know anything about u lol, i could be wrong



ykabban -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 11 2007 16:00:32)

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Yak,
I don't think anybody could really "cream" this??

I don't see any "cocking" going on there?

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/flamenco/video/x10e5l_camaron-y-ramon-de-algeciras-tangos

Good camera angles!

cheers

Ron


I don't cock anything except guns. I said load, not cock. Wow, this thread is going downhill fast[:D][:D][:D].



Skai -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 12 2007 13:59:41)

No offence at all! If I had the extra time, I'd actually continue learning more of flamenco. But sadly, time doesn't permit. What can I do if both work and play revolves around classical guitar? [:D] All I can do is play for my own enjoyment whatever I previously learnt and continue listening to the records I have. My flamenco tab and method books all lying around but yet I can't devote time to it due to many other commitments. I feel I don't have enough time for even what I'm trying to do now.

That being said, I agree with the video Ron posted. Try 'creaming' that. [8D]



Florian -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 12 2007 18:52:00)

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English is strange. Isnt cock another word for ****? And **** another word for cock? Why are there parents that call their sons ****? Why are there drinks which are called cocktails? And isnt that funny that pilots work in a cockpit????




thats the eternal question Doit, like the " Meaning of life ? " or ' Why does it burn when I pee ?"...

heres another one for your collection "cockroach"



Doitsujin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 12 2007 22:43:55)

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thats the eternal question Doit, like the " Meaning of life ?
Thats no problem anymore for me. I got a picassomarmor last saturday. I see much clearer now.[:D]
It burns when you pee? Could be an inflammation. I heared old men have this injury..[&:]
Well thanks for the word![:D][:D] Whats with the name Hancock? Does it exist? Welll....[&:]



duende -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 13 2007 5:21:15)

Herbie Hancock



Florian -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 13 2007 6:51:02)

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I heared old men have this injury..

Yes if they had sex with the wrong person ....



Arash -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 13 2007 11:11:16)

Todd,

maybe i miss something but my question is : how can you cock your fingers and flick them from meat of the thumb when you hold a pick with P and I ?

I mean the only way i can imagine when playing with pick is : flick E-A-M from inside of your hand and not the thumb , or EAM free hand.....



Doitsujin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 13 2007 22:43:00)

Joe Cocker![:-]



veet -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 16 2007 2:09:51)

Adam del Monte says to use both attacks as you like for variation in sound color. What he calls the 'pushed' rasgeo, non-flicked, is more difficult to learn, and gives a softer, less percussive attack, because each finger is not sprung against resistance, but just pushed from the forearm muscles. Pushed rasgeo also makes your arm more tired. Another thing he does differently is to use all fingers in the Marote roll, where most players use only a & m on the downstroke. Some use only m.

Use whatever sounds good



Wannabee -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Mar. 18 2007 1:12:23)

Another video example:



Watch his right hand at about 2:50 and again at about 6:10.

Perhaps it's just his style of playing though, I don't know.

I am trying to practice both because I like the strong, percussive sound of the the "flicked" ras. sometimes, but I also find it hard to get my hand into position fast enough. The free ras. takes no time to prepare as your hand is always ready, but it takes a lot of work to get this one even and smooth.



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Filip -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Dec. 1 2019 17:45:21)

I am working on rasgueado which is a weak point in my playing, so I am rereading some posts.

quote:

No one I know does rasgueados with the fingers spread way out, at least from the "starting" position, all the fingers touch each other before they attack the strings.

I actually do it with separated fingers. I've just tried with fingers touching each other but it's rather uncomfortable.



Piwin -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Dec. 1 2019 20:18:19)

Maybe it's just a matter of anatomy?
I have the opposite "problem". A while back I asked a question about friction between fingers while doing arpeggio because, no matter how hard I try, I just can't keep m and a completely apart. I guess we just got to do what works best with the way our body is set up.



Filip -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Dec. 1 2019 21:52:53)

Right, anatomy could be a reasonable explanation. When it comes to arpeggio, my fingers are also separated when I play it.



Ricardo -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Dec. 2 2019 4:32:58)

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ORIGINAL: Filip

I am working on rasgueado which is a weak point in my playing, so I am rereading some posts.

quote:

No one I know does rasgueados with the fingers spread way out, at least from the "starting" position, all the fingers touch each other before they attack the strings.

I actually do it with separated fingers. I've just tried with fingers touching each other but it's rather uncomfortable.


Verbal descriptions can be misleading. Even if you have extremely thin fingers, they can still be touching, like Vicente here at 1:00, and 3:56



Please note as well how close he puts his ami together for arpegios. If you feel that IS how you are doing it than fine. But if you are spreading out farther than you see him do, I don’t recommend it.



Filip -> RE: Rasgueados= fingers cocked? or free? (Dec. 3 2019 20:13:39)

I see what you mean Ricardo. I am sure that I am not stretching my fingers on purpose, though maybe sometimes they might be touching each other a bit at some moments. I will try to make a video from a good angle.



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