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orsonw -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 3 2025 15:24:22)
quote: Many solid body electric players attribute the sound of a guitar more to the neck, There are devices to add mass by attaching to a guitar or bass headstock e.g. Fender Fatfinger™ claims "Instant sustain and prolonged tone" and "Increased response and articulation". https://uk.fender.com/products/fatfinger-guitar-sustain-enhancer Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 3 2025 22:48:55)
Never had a sustain or tone problem with my Strandbergs ... Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 4 2025 6:38:59)
I don’t know nothing about electric guitars Miss Scarlet. I remember Malmsteen Mango brain carved the space between frets deeper, they say scalloped. That removed mass from the neck. My conclusion is that ( electric guitars are a different animal than classical guitars and can’t really be compared) the reason classical guitar necks are a certain size is because it was arrived at over generations of trial and success and the successful ones were noted. We arrive at a window of performance or common size that everyone knows. Outside of that ‘strike zone’ there are diminishing returns on both directions, too thin or too beefy. So we know the Goldilocks Paradigm of Neck Meat. In guitar porn stiffness and mass are crucial for proper vibrations, but it’s nuanced game. The part that makes me grumpy sometimes are the commenters that don’t trust the generational recieved knowledge and try to backwards engineer the guitar by quantifying the physics of it. All you have to do is follow the dimension of the guys who were building in mid 20th century and you come out fine. Ricardo, you should ask Richard to carve 37 grams out of the Montoya neck and change to lighter tuners and see what he says.

Ricardo -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 4 2025 14:11:37)
quote: Ricardo, you should ask Richard to carve 37 grams out of the Montoya neck and change to lighter tuners and see what he says. Yes, good idea. After all, he can always just glue the carvings back on if the sound gets worse.[:D] About Malmsteen fret carving: despite his ridiculous insistence that he was NOT influenced by the likes of Strat neck carvers like Blackmore and Uli Jon Roth (his obvious influences for performance), or even Mclaughlin who did it to Gibson and acoustic guitars (Malmsteen even owns a "skakti-esque guitar with sympathetic strings, in addition to using Mclaughlin scale patterns note for note), he claims as a teenager he worked in a luthier shop in Sweden and got the idea from a Baroque era Lute that had scallops instead of fret wire ties. Based on what I know now that just seems outrageous for polyphonic music and tone....he claimed only the wood peaks stopped the string. Regardless of the inspiration for his own fret carving on Strats, are there any extant examples of Lutes with scalloped necks???

Fawkes -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 4 2025 15:47:42)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricardo Regardless of the inspiration for his own fret carving on Strats, are there any extant examples of Lutes with scalloped necks??? I doubt we would see one that came out of the mainstream tradition (but that's easy to say because there just aren't that many that survived). On the other hand weird outliers and hybrids (old lutes later converted to wire strings, etc.) show up occasionally although their genesis takes an expert to puzzle out (conversion? folk instrument? counterfeit built for tourists?). The wire-strung instruments, citterns and orpharions, were the ones with scalloping between the brass frets.

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 4 2025 16:59:06)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fawkes quote: ORIGINAL: Ricardo Regardless of the inspiration for his own fret carving on Strats, are there any extant examples of Lutes with scalloped necks??? I doubt we would see one that came out of the mainstream tradition (but that's easy to say because there just aren't that many that survived). On the other hand weird outliers and hybrids (old lutes later converted to wire strings, etc.) show up occasionally although their genesis takes an expert to puzzle out (conversion? folk instrument? counterfeit built for tourists?). The wire-strung instruments, citterns and orpharions, were the ones with scalloping between the brass frets. Yeah, I think ‘Ol Mangosteen was looking at a German guitar lute from the late 19th early twentieth century or an instrument like a cittern. Why would a historical lute be in a repair shop? This is a neck from a 1930’s German Lute Guitar. They often scooped finger boards Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Ricardo -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 5 2025 11:50:50)
quote: This is a neck from a 1930’s German Lute Guitar. They often scooped finger boards Damn that's crazy!![:D][:D]

Estevan -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 6 2025 17:51:17)
quote: quote: This is a neck from a 1930’s German Lute Guitar. They often scooped finger boards Damn that's crazy!! Das ist die Ur-Shakti-Gitarre.

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 10 2025 19:30:54)
Aside from all this Malmsteen chat, how is the guitar now? Has it defrosted into a more pleasing dinner?

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 11 2025 2:57:52)
quote: ORIGINAL: silddx Aside from all this Malmsteen chat, how is the guitar now? Has it defrosted into a more pleasing dinner? I let it sit in the case for a few days and played my other guitar, but took it out last night. I’m not sure if I like it or not, but it isn’t a bad guitar. It’s slightly on the overtone spectrum more than I like under my ear, but this isn’t present out front in a bad way. This weekend I’m going to have my friend play it, he’s quite good. I’ll know more then. I know if the top were spruce that I’ve been using it would sound more to my liking, but this cedar might need a slightly different approach. I’d not hesitate to put it in the market it’s sellable, but it might not be The guitar for me. But for now I’m keeping because the bass is very rich and it really adds to the bottom end of the sound of our guitar ensemble. I play a lot of the bass end parts because I lead the bass section in most peices we play. Our group has four advanced players and eight intermediate players and the advanced players each lead a section. A professional guitarist could give a concert on this guitar, but it ultimately might not be ‘my’ personal guitar. It’s going to take a few months for me to figure it out.

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 11 2025 21:57:10)
I feel a bit sad about that, but I expect you have applied a suitable rationale. And I imagine your next guitar build for yourself will be much more to your liking. It takes a lot of b0llocks to experiment like this given the amount of work involved. Salud!

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 12 2025 7:12:36)
A quick informal unlisted YouTube clip with a sound sample-

Ricardo -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 12 2025 17:47:10)
Not bad at all. The wood looks very cool and different. I prefer a brighter treble, but it might be the bridge which is not rosewood…I could be wrong but a lot of the brightness I like I mentally associate with the hard brittle Rosewood. That is only because I felt certain guitars with other bridge types seemed a bit wooly to me. Who knows.

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 12 2025 20:28:53)
It's a gorgeous looking guitar, really beautiful! It might be the recording but it seems very prominent in the midrange, I really like the sound of the basses; the trebles, like Ricardo said are not very bright, but I guess that's what you were going for. I get a feeling of a quite dark, old time sound, it has charm. I could get into that sound. Thank you for recording the video.

rombsix -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 12 2025 21:20:49)
quote: A quick informal unlisted YouTube clip with a sound sample- Me gusta! You finished it so quickly!

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 13 2025 13:21:17)
quote: ORIGINAL: rombsix quote: A quick informal unlisted YouTube clip with a sound sample- Me gusta! You finished it so quickly! This year I changed my teaching schedule to three days a week so I have more time to build. And I rough out parts for three or four guitars at a time which makes building faster. I hear the trebles as big under my ear, but I’m waiting to hear my friend play it in the concert hall to gauge the projection. The room I recorded it in is tatami room, a woven mat floor that sands off high frequencies 😆

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 14 2025 3:00:20)
Sunday morning 10:30 am heading out to shred at the Gata community center for some head banging octogenarians Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 14 2025 9:37:31)
I listened to my buddy play this guitar today in contrast to his Bouchet model made by Masumura Matsunobu who was a famous Japanese builder who went to France to engage Bouchet in lessons and chats. His Bouchet models are highly regarded as being as close to a real one as you can get. My friend Matsuzaki-san ( far left guy in photo) has four guitars, the Bouchet, the Humphreys Millenium a nice Antonio Marin and my Brazilian rosewood/Spruce concert model. I’ve heard them all played together on a good concert hall stage. The Humphreys is the least interesting, it’s very nasal and cloying. The others are all in the big leagues, even mine. He knows good guitars. He played various things on my new one, Brouwer Day in November, some other stuff. The new guitar speaks out and has good projection, it’s clear midrange not muddy, the bass end is deep feeling, the upper end isn’t filled with starlight and fireworks, but it’s got projection and Tibetan singing bowl kind of copper metallic sound. It’s not what I think of as a flamenco Blanca upper end, it’s more like a ( pardon me for using this comparison) it’s like dark husky Guarneri del Gesu sound rather than a sweet bright Amati sound. So this guitar is to respected and the sound in my video doesn’t do it justice. I played it today when we gave a recital to a gathering of folks from a local community center, I didn’t have to work hard to put out a sound to lead the bottom end. My other old guitar is pretty sounding, it’s just not loud and it doesn’t tolerate being pushed, it has a beautiful sound, but a low ceiling. This new one is straight up baller. It’s loud, but also interesting and the sound quality blends really good with the Bouchet model which doesn’t have a penetrating driving lower end, but a golden color high end. So my new guitar is what the ensemble needs, and I will cultivate respect for that and see where it goes.

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 14 2025 11:30:48)
Excellent, I am pleased for you.

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 15 2025 12:12:12)
quote: ORIGINAL: silddx Excellent, I am pleased for you. Thank you. Contrary to Ricardo’s thought about bridges, brittle rosewood, I’m of a different opinion on why this guitar doesn’t attract me completely, it’s the top wood. It’s not right for nylon strings. It’s too heavy and dense. This matters. Think I might give several tops to a good friend in San Diego who builds steel string guitars. This wood might be better suited to how he builds. I have respect for this guitar and its going to fulfill a niche in our guitar ensemble. There will be revenge coming up in the form of a spruce top guitar for myself. We’ll repurpose this thread for Vengeance- Guitar II 😆

silddx -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 15 2025 18:24:07)
quote: Thank you. Contrary to Ricardo’s thought about bridges, brittle rosewood, I’m of a different opinion on why this guitar doesn’t attract me completely, it’s the top wood. It’s not right for nylon strings. It’s too heavy and dense. This matters. Think I might give several tops to a good friend in San Diego who builds steel string guitars. This wood might be better suited to how he builds. I have respect for this guitar and its going to fulfill a niche in our guitar ensemble. There will be revenge coming up in the form of a spruce top guitar for myself. We’ll repurpose this thread for Vengeance- Guitar II 😆 Cool, looking forward to it. Are you still going to use Sakura and ebony laminates for the back and sides?

ernandez R -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 15 2025 20:37:19)
Takes a lot of sack to come right out and say you didn’t build the perfect guitar. What strings are you using? Perhaps she might like a set of the carbon treble strings? I’ve never used them myself so talking out my Posterior… HR

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 16 2025 1:37:55)
I use Savarez sets of various kinds on my own guitars. I’m not sure what I’m going to do next but 35 year old sets of Palo Escrito are not out of the question. Palo/Spruce is very likely. Slightly different bracing, very slight change and rosewood bridge. I’m honest because in this case I’m my own client, you can’t be critical of yourself it’s hard to make good guitars for others. Daniel Friederich said in an interview that even he made ones he wasn’t happy with because they had substantial flaws. He even put a number on it, he said about one in twenty weren’t high grade concert guitars, but he’s working in a rarified envelope of what he considers high grade. Maybe his duds are miles above my masterpieces. I’m happy however because I came up with a new way to describe treble sounds, ‘Tibetan singing bowl copper’ - with all the b¥llshit peddled about guitar sound I think my b¥llshit is down to earth b¥llshit.

Firefrets -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 16 2025 13:27:56)
I'm in the middle of restoring a very early guitar (probably early 1800's) that has a scalloped fingerboard with ivory frets. The scallops stop at the 12th, with a steep fall away at the body. [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54791149716_552226498d_b.jpg[/img]

Firefrets -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 16 2025 13:29:00)
Your guitar looks pretty cool (all your guitars do).

Ricardo -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 16 2025 14:20:29)
quote: ORIGINAL: Firefrets I'm in the middle of restoring a very early guitar (probably early 1800's) that has a scalloped fingerboard with ivory frets. The scallops stop at the 12th, with a steep fall away at the body. [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54791149716_552226498d_b.jpg[/img] That is quite amazing. Can you show the body design? (Sorry to hijack banana's guitar build topic).

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 16 2025 15:54:34)
It’s ok, post about the scalloped fret thing in

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 21 2025 12:00:33)
Yeah well I’m onto the next guitar, it’s a straight up blanca, with a rosewood bridge 😆 For size comparison, here’s a watermelon I grew in the garden behind the shop. Bitter melon and cucumbers. I’m not giving up on the cedar guitar. The bridge rotated forward and I think it’s in its final place. The trebles brightened up a bit and the whole thing got more interesting. I have a few ideas about how to fine tune it, first taking a bit more out of the neck. I like the necks I made for customers more than this neck and it’s because it’s still a hair too thick and bulky. I learned or relearned something by watching that Russian Ginger handing guitars to Del Rey - he reminded me to feel the neck with eyes closed, which is a method I learned long ago from a violin maker. I didn’t concentrate enough on how I like the neck and, turns out I probably like my customers necks better. I think there’s a another modification I can do which involves a backhoe. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

estebanana -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 21 2025 12:04:34)
Cilantro Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Firefrets -> RE: A guitar for moi (Sep. 22 2025 11:47:13)
Great photographs Stephen. I presume everything is edible, but what are they?

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