mark indigo -> RE: Just joined (May 2 2025 19:26:43)
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Paco NEVER had any pupil of any kind whatsoever ....... NOBODY has a right to this claim.
Juan Martin studied with Paco de Lucía, it says so on his (JM's) website:
"Juan... became a regular visitor to the home of his friend Paco de Lucía with whom he studied in his early twenties."
mark indigo -> RE: Just joined (May 2 2025 19:36:58)
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In this interview Jose claims at age 7 he studied with some singer guitarist in Algeciras, and this family Marin that he knew, also knew Valderrama and Ramon, and so Paco family would go fiesta with these folks cuz they liked the fish, and Paco's sister sang in the juerga. He does not admit there any classes with Paco's dad nor Paco neither.
I believe José was close to Ramón, so may have "had lessons" with him or just hung out and played informally, I don't know.
Paco's dad did teach though - Salvador Andrades (father of José Manuel León) had lessons with him.
mark indigo -> RE: Just joined (May 2 2025 19:42:16)
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the bad news is you can't impress anybody by playing like Paco. The good news is you can impress everybody by saying you learnt from Paco.
I'm impressed by anyone who can actually play "like Paco".
I'm not impressed by anyone saying they learnt directly from Paco...[;)]
Mark2 -> RE: Just joined (May 2 2025 23:03:46)
Juan Martin is also mentioned in Paco Sevilla's book. I can't remember if he wrote that Juan had lessons from Paco, but the time frame Paco wrote about is consistant with Juan and George being in Madrid at the same time.
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
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Paco NEVER had any pupil of any kind whatsoever ....... NOBODY has a right to this claim.
Juan Martin studied with Paco de Lucía, it says so on his (JM's) website:
"Juan... became a regular visitor to the home of his friend Paco de Lucía with whom he studied in his early twenties."
Piwin -> RE: Just joined (May 3 2025 0:37:04)
To my mind, JM Bandera is the closest thing to a student of PdL. No idea if PdL ever actually taught him anything, but tbh at that level of emulation, I'm not even sure it matters. Like in those martial arts movies where the old master refuses to teach but the kid still just follows him around everywhere and tries to replicate everything the master does.
edit: quickly checked this interview from a few months back:
about 7 1/2 minutes in he says Paco didn't really teach, he'd just tell him to play a falseta and then tell him whether he got it right or not, and tell him if the fingering was off, but that's about it.
Ricardo -> RE: Just joined (May 3 2025 16:08:05)
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ORIGINAL: Piwin
To my mind, JM Bandera is the closest thing to a student of PdL. No idea if PdL ever actually taught him anything, but tbh at that level of emulation, I'm not even sure it matters. Like in those martial arts movies where the old master refuses to teach but the kid still just follows him around everywhere and tries to replicate everything the master does.
edit: quickly checked this interview from a few months back:
about 7 1/2 minutes in he says Paco didn't really teach, he'd just tell him to play a falseta and then tell him whether he got it right or not, and tell him if the fingering was off, but that's about it.
Exactly the above. The impression I got from the student of Ramon was that Ramon was adamant that paco REFUSED to teach, so his nephews were lucky to "get corrected", and any other claims are out right lies. In fact the student was a bit upset as I think he was following the PDL forum or something when Diaz popped on the scene. He like called me out of the blue to rant about this subject. [:D]
