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Ricardo -> RE: New Generation (Dec. 15 2023 12:08:47)
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so is this that? or is this becoming an old fuddy duddy?
Of course this is part of it. Time marches on. There is likely balance that is not exposed behind the scenes. The thing I am talking about applies to SOLO guitar playing, which typically is not the driving force of the genre anyway, it is the cante and baile more so. For example there used to be two ways for singers to play with the compas but now there are three (the third being a boxed in concept, even for baile, where instead of singing “over the bar line” the guitarist is required to slow down the tempo in spots, for drama, understanding how the melody is “tied” to the compas and the singer is dragging the tonos down with it, then suddenly resume the previous tempo). This might have evolved out of a novel example by Camaron that used to do this in Tangos with Tomatito…but to “standardize” it for all palos that have compas is unusual to me. Not sure if I am “old fashioned” in this regard, because I actually learned the much older way to accompany, very late in the game. I have honestly only had the pleasure of dealing with a few singers that sing that way anymore. I learned via baile that had already been boxed in. So not being biased old or new, I recognized the artistic superiority to the “old way” and it is shame it has disappeared. Perhaps young generations might recognized the same things like me (everything is recorded historically so why not?) and have similar feelings such that a “neo-classical” period develops where certain Old methods get employed despite whatever contemporary trends.
The danger would be that if young gen players continue the run on sentence phrasing, then at some point, percussion/palmas etc, will simply ignore cierres in general, and the flamenco compas will lose a huge unique identity. If I know in advance they are not going to do punctuation, I will simply ignore what they play at all, or won’t engage with it. I can already sense the palmeros doing this by not building up with the phrases, they just play “flat” and ignore what direction the guitar moves in. I remember Yerai doing a well known phrase in a cool new off time manner and the cajon and the palmero had to turn his head away because everything was twisted…at least he brought it back in with some cierre, but when they STOP doing the closing and stay “off track”, well, the head turn away will be symbolic of the music in general. Presently it is up in the air what might happen in the future.
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