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Morante -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 6 2017 11:58:33)

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this is unbelievable


Not so; JW is quite right. I know quite a number of flamencos with house and car, who live well.

The downside is that they have to work with dancers and travel constantly, which does not help family life.




mark indigo -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 6 2017 18:04:56)

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Certainly, I saw lots of baile just don't recall them with Jose although, upon reflection, there may have been one with Chocolate with him singing from the wings.

Looking back over some old programmes I can see that not all shows have featured dance, even though it's still mainly a dance programme. Most of the shows are by a main dancer (eg. Sara Baras, Eva Yerbabuena, Farruquito etc.) or dance company. I haven't included fringe shows in the Lilian Bylis studio.

2009 had 6 shows: 5 dance shows plus Estrella Morente, with no dancer listed in the programme for her show. Also no solo guitarist on that year's line-up.

2010 programme had 5 shows, all dance companies, no guitarist or singer headlined.

2012 had 8 shows: 5 dance shows plus Vicente Amigo with a dancer, Gerardo Nuñez with Carmen Cortés, and José Mercé without a dancer.

2013 had 8 shows: 6 dance shows plus Tomatito with a "featured dancer", and Estrella Morente, again without a dancer.

2014 Had 6 shows. 5 dance shows plus Miguel Poveda with a dancer. No guitarist had their own show.

2015 Had 7 shows: 5 dance shows plus Arcángel with a "guest dancer" and Gerardo Nuñez with Carmen Cortés.

2016 Had 7 shows: 5 dance shows plus Vicente Amigo, again with a dancer, and Esperanza Fernández with a "guest artist" dancer.

2017 I don't have because we only booked for one show, and on the day when we got to the station all the trains were cancelled because of Storm Doris. We tried to drive instead but the roads were closed/blocked too!

So, is it going uphill or downhill? I don't know.... 2010 had no headline guitarist or singer.... but every other year there has been either a headline singer or both headline singer and headline guitarist.




Escribano -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 6 2017 19:36:37)

Thanks for that info.

I got to meet Moraíto in the bar next door afterwards, so it was worth it just for that memory. Great guy.




Brendan -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 6 2017 22:04:13)

I am delighted to have provoked some archival research. And to have been proved wrong: I’d forgotten about the more recent shows with guitarists headlining.

I stopped buying the programmes. Most of the performers seem to say one of two things. Either, they’re taking flamenco to a new place, while remembering and respecting its roots, or, they’re getting back to the roots but with a modern flavour.




tele -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 6 2017 22:58:15)

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ORIGINAL: Morante

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this is unbelievable


Not so; JW is quite right. I know quite a number of flamencos with house and car, who live well.

The downside is that they have to work with dancers and travel constantly, which does not help family life.


I meant it's unbelievable to be a pro flamenco guitarist in Finland. [;)]




Dudnote -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 7 2017 6:37:12)

Pretty sure the festival in Nimes has cante only shows. Looking at the program for next year I can see two that make no mention of dance: Luis Moneo / Antonio Reyes and Pepe de Puro. And there are at least three other shows headlined by singers with invited dancers.




mark indigo -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 7 2017 10:04:42)

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Most of the performers seem to say one of two things. Either, they’re taking flamenco to a new place, while remembering and respecting its roots, or, they’re getting back to the roots but with a modern flavour.

[:D][:D] Yeah that's about right.... but I buy the programmes so that in future years I can a) remember who I've seen, and b) post the statistics of baile/cante/guitarra![:D]




mark indigo -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 7 2017 10:11:21)

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the festival in Nimes
even with the chunnel/eurostar that's a bit of a stretch for me[:D]. Just getting to London is bad enough. We can't get home to our local train station afterwards because the trains don't stop there after about 9pm. So it's an hour drive, then an hour on the train, then getting from the station to the venue. The price of the travel on top of show ticket doubles or exceeds the price of the ticket... I usually try to get to maybe two shows in the festival, depending on availability of time and money.

I get the impression France, and especially the south, is better for flamenco than the UK. A number of flamenco artists (eg. Antonio Moya?) were born there of Andalucian parents. Either they (parents) fled Spain during/after the civil war or were migrant workers.

Germany also seems to be better for flamenco than the UK (eg. Rafael Cortés) due again to migrant workers, mostly from Andalucia. Same I guess with Netherlands and Belgium. Continental Europe generally seems much better for flamenco than the UK.




Dudnote -> RE: Flamenco popularity (or lack thereof) (Dec. 7 2017 14:46:18)

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then getting from the station to the venue.

if anyone reading this gets as far as the station I'll pick you up and give you a ride to the show [;)]




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