norumba -> RE: Fakemenco, that is good music? (Dec. 1 2017 4:53:01)
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what a fascinating and entertaining thread :) I'll modify Kitarist's modification a little further and break up the categories for clarity: quote:
so 1. if they have to say they are not flamenco but others still think they are flamenco they are fakemenco, and 2. if they don't say they are not flamenco knowing people wrongly take them as flamenco they are fakemenco and 3. if they say they are flamenco but aren't they are fakemenco.... even with that modification though, im still not sure I would classify #1 as fakemenco. fake to me implies a degree of intentional deceit, and if youre upfront that youre not flamenco, then there really isnt that deceitful element unless industry or media classifies you that way. So i dont think #1 counts as fakemenco .Maybe call it wrongmenco or mislabeledmenco [:D] #2 is pretty clear, but #3 is a bit of a can of worms, because how do you define what isnt? See the two questions i posit below. its all subjective at any rate. Everyone has their own definition of it which is interesting to see, and i dont think theres any right or wrong. Even as I think this through to write this post, it gets fuzzy in my own head, lol. I would agree with Piwin on the PdL classification to a large extent... Ricardo breaks it down differently than i do, as i wouldnt classify all fusion attempts as fakemenco -- but then again a lot of them are. Depends on how theyre presented. I get that Ottmar can play a proper bulerias but a) his output completely lacks any kind of conviction and heart and b) he did pass all of his s*** off as flamenco, not just the occasional bulerias or tidbit. for those two reasons, id put him squarely in the fakemenco camp, for me. That raises the philosophical question: if you follow the letter of the law but not the spirit , are you fakemenco? Conversely, if you follow the spirit of the law but not the letter, are you fakemenco? do the three theorems above override these two questions? personally i think all rumba is fakemenco, but technically thats probably not true, otoh some historians/academics/scholars may agree. But i get that my disdain for rumba is an entirely subjective aesthetic.
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