sorin popovici -> RE: GITANOS... & DJANGO REINHARDT (Jan. 30 2006 1:44:12)
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I wanted to post several times on this subject ,but there are so ...touchy subjects for me. I had some little troubles with some gipsies here.This is a very complex issue ,but the gipsies here ...were marginalized for some time but I think to tell exactly who's fault is ,is not that simple.Now with all EU programs things started to turn around,and there are beeing made some efforts to integrate the gipsies into society. But it's not that easy,they are a closed comunity ..and u have the impression that they dont wanna integrate.For example to discover in some vilage a mariage between a girl of 14 years old and a boy ,doesnt seem quite tolerable...cause it's illegal.A lot of romanians put a blame on them cause of the bad publicity we get in the world and it is true ...they do take organized crime rather seriously.I worked in a net cafe ,for some money ..and I got slaped in public by a couple of gipsies from a clan "corduneanu" cause I didnt do smth(the boss said ...u cant do nothing about it,the police is too slow ..for this sht) ...well.long story short...when they get organized,local autorities have great dificulties..if it gets big ,the police solves it ...but small delicts are usually permited cause u cant do nothing about it. I dont take it on gispy ,I know there are good and bad people wherever...but still this integration process still has a lot to go.For example by law every kid at 7 years of age has to go to school ..their kids usually dont.Now,they are poor ...and some dont go cause they have no means...but u can find all sort of gipsies poor and quite welthy. The romanians didnt quite like it when the gipsied started to call themself "romani". We were afraid of the bad publicity they take upon them when they usually emigrate. Romanian culture is very different from theirs ...they have their own language and all,and it's not a latin language or smth.We here call them "tigani" and not "romani" though we are quite familiar with the term. Anyway ,it's very hard to explain it all...and I cant it will take more than 10 pages. There are for sure bad and good sides of this story.But it's just too hard to say smth general ,that maybe u should not even try ...U cant imagine how many politicians discused this subject . I think that flamenco is flamenco cause of the mixing with spanish culture.Sure arabic culture is an important aspect ,but we also have in our gipsy and our romanian music minor armonic scales ,melodic ..and scales with the 2+ interval.Romania fought a lot of battles with the turks ,and was for a long time under the influence of the otoman empire. But we had lot of influences like slavs (i hope that's a word) ,austro-hungarian empire,greeks ..etc. The miracle is that we have a latin language and nowhere near us any other latin country.For example Spain , France ,Italy,Portugal are very close on the map.The latin language we have it from 106 AC when Traian (roman emperor) conquered Dacia (where is now romania).Gee...how the hell , did I end up telling about this. Read it all on wikipedia. So, in a way in romania ..we had some arabic influences + some gipsies+ latin language= still no flamenco [:D].The thing is that phrigian scale ...I mean I remember when first seeing some flamenco on tv.It was just like Ricardo said ....I kept listening to a guy who played guitar and didnt understand why doesnt he finishes the song ,kept awaiting for him to finish the introductory part ....come on man ,play that Am [:D]
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