Mark2 -> RE: Accompanying Cante/Baile DVD? (Jan. 31 2017 16:02:54)
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Yeah, I agree the accompaniment is weird-the timing is slightly off, or maybe the concept of replacing the original guitar playing on the recording is in itself, a bad idea. The playing doesn't groove In spite of that I think it works for it's intended purpose-it focuses on small bits of cante on classic recordings, and gives you a way to accompany them. It would have been better to teach the guitar part that was on the original recordings IMO but again, it does work. I think one could progress from this point to hearing what is happening on actual recordings though, so again, I think it could work for some folks. And you have the option of muting the guitar. Overall, I think it's a good intro for people that are overwhelmed by trying to pick it off a record-he breaks it down into small sections and spoon feeds you a way to do it, he just doesn't capture the groove. And he sometimes puts in falsetas from time periods that are not from the era of the recordings, which shouldn't be a crime, but somehow sounds a bit weird. I'm basing this on seeing one of the bulerias dvds. As far as dance accompaniment, I just don't see how you can learn that from a dvd. For that matter, it's not like you are going to learn how to play for cante from this either, but it could help establish a base of knowledge from which to progress. quote:
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quote:David Leiva has a bunch of stuff out: https://flamenco-connection.com/products/fc-8r-0060 Never seen those, pretty cool. anyone seen these vids? If so please comment. I have seen a couple of the DVD's, and the guitar playing is.... well.... calling it a bit odd is the kindest way of putting it.... to be less kind but more honest IMO the timing is decidedly shaky.... The only good thing about them is that somehow they have got classic recordings of cantaores, added a compás track for guidance and removed the guitar track. So you can use it for cante accompaniment practise, but I wouldn't recommend Leiva's accompaniment as any kind of example to follow.... And, like the Manolo Franco DVD's, it is cante only, no baile. The Manolo Franco DVD's are better in the sense that when you watch and listen to Manolo's accompaniment it is faultless! The Leiva books contain a small sample of so-called dance accompaniment, but honestly, they are worthless. The only good thing about the books are the CD's have tracks with cante and no guitar, same as with the DVD's. The other good resources for accompaniment (cante) are: the Moraito Encuentro DVD has 3 cantes with Terremoto; Malagueña, Siguiriyas and Bulerías fin de fiesta, Merengue de Cordoba Encuentro DVD vol 2 with cante of Churumbaque, pretty much all palos, Oscar Herrero DVD's Paso a Paso vol 6 (Solea - 4 cantes; 2 styles of Solea, Caña and Polo) and vol 9 (Alegrías - 4 cantes; Alegrías, Romeras, Mirabras and Caracoles) For dance accompaniment, find a dance class with a guitarist (there are lots in London!) and ask to sit it. Use your eyes and ears!
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