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Ron.M -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:11:46)

quote:

I am just curious... Have any of you measured your 2 finger speed tapping on the table?


Yeah Grisha!,
Of course it is many times faster than I can do on the guitar.
That's why I think that doing anything "off" the guitar is really a waste of time..
Things like practising ragueado on a table top or practising on one of those silly little "silent" guitars.
It's all about the complete feedback loop... the action, the feeling and the sound.
Nothing else can duplicate that accurately IMO.

cheers

Ron



XXX -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:16:37)

Really Ron? If you do it with the same control than you would have to do it on guitar?

My tapping on the table speed is more or less my picado speed on chromatic scales! But of course overall its still slow.

Regarding Rasguados its the same motion I think. Training it "in air" will help imho, coz there is no resistance, and especially when beginning with rasguados you can get easily injured due to the anatomic anused motion. Your "stroke" muscles are normally very weak compared to the "grab" muscles, and preparing it in air is usefull I think.



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:22:02)

I remember, as a child I used to tap on the table, or hit one finger against the other in the air as fast as I could. I think, ultimately it lowers your reaction time. Of course, it is not a precise indication of your possible speed on the guitar, because it takes more than one movement to produce a sound on the instrument. But it can lower your reaction time. And you can approximate the real thing by moving your fingers slightly downward after tapping on the table. Try to do it fast and you'll feel weak. This exercise can train your muscles and increase your reaction.



Ron.M -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:31:28)

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I remember, as a child I used to tap on the table, or hit one finger against the other in the air as fast as I could. I think, ultimately it lowers your reaction time.


Hmm...remember everybody in this Forum will be copying you now! [:D]
Everybody is looking for that "shortcut" LOL!

Grisha, I play on table tops and the side of my thigh when I'm bored...tapping out Flamenco rhythms...I think every Flamenco player does.. but I really think it is very different to actual technique on the guitar.
I would doubt if that had much to do with your amazingly fast picado as opposed to a lot of very focussed study, analysis and practise on your own!

cheers

Ron



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:35:16)

There is no single "trick" for getting a good picado. But look at the much modified post above.



Ron.M -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 20:46:55)

Well Grisha...I can't argue against that, simply because you can do it and I can't! [:D]
But I still have my doubts..
I think it's hard to analyse oneself objectively...
I think your ultra fast picado and general brilliance with the guitar comes down to very focussed and efficient practising along with that unquantifiable variable known as "personality" [:D]

cheers

Ron



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 21:04:18)

I think it would be funny if everyone was going around tapping on the tables, but it was actually Grisha's little joke...and before you knew it, you could always tell the guitarists in any group because they're always nervously tapping the table ;)

Well, I'm going to try it!!



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 21:11:17)

No joke intended... It was just an idea. By the way, my tapping is 300, 16ths, which beats my playing speed.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 21:53:07)

I seem to be topping out at 220.... :( I need to practice my table tapping more!



itoprover -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 17 2006 22:49:53)

I have the interesting problem: my 2-finger picado is much slower than scales and multi-string runs - I cannot go faster than 120 bpm on one string (for multi-string runs my max is 150 bpm). Any recommendations?



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 0:39:01)

It is very normal. I have the same thing.



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 1:35:27)

the most annoying thing about practice and exercises is that you never ever really know what worked and what didnt you can never trace it down to 1 thing.

like u may do a exercise that you think it was compleatly useless but infact it might have still helped you a litlle without you realizing.

then you might have an exercise u think helps but infact all it does it warms you up efficiantly and u can do fast picados more easy straight afterwoods but makes no great difference in the long run.



itoprover -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 1:39:47)

Spasibo Grisha,

I thought so, but it was a little surprising because when I was practicing classical 3-finger tirando I had almost the same speed on one string. It was 10 years back though.



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:01:05)

I think your hand and mind needs some "reset" that happens when you change strings.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:08:16)

What is Spasibo?

Grisha,
(sorry for all these questions, but you keep answering them :))

when you practice picado, or even any technique, do you practice hard or light? And what do you suggest in general?

Thanks!



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:11:44)

quote:

What is Spasibo


i think that means thank you in russian.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:33:10)

Florian,
who's going to hit 2000 first, you or me!?

Man, I must spend too much time here!



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:37:30)

Miguel, I recommend to practice picado hard, but you repertoire soft.

Ochen' rad pomoch' liudiam, kotorym eto interesno.



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:39:52)

Miguel i hope you are [:D]
is not a competition



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:41:03)

I dont care about those sort of things



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:41:31)

l'll be posting one-word messages all night and I'll beat you both. Who said it's not personal?



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:42:31)

dont care i tell you [:)]



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:43:35)

haha thats funny Grisha .....1955



Grisha -> [Deleted] (Jan. 18 2006 2:44:15)

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Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:48:04)

[:D]

I found what i am good at, I am the fastest poster replier guy [:D] the secret is to write each post as if you are translating yourself [:D][:D]



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:50:25)

Florian! Ever heard of plagiarism? I believe they take 50 posts off your record for that...



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:55:06)

Cmon Grisha you know that dosent apply in flamenco, the hole art is based on plagiarism.

Change a note and the key and the falseta is yours :-)



itoprover -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:56:22)

Wow guys,

I thought we were talking about "beats per minute" not "posts per minute". LOL.



Grisha -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:56:46)

Yes! That's why I played Panaderos on the 3rd fret!

Come on! You are just jealous of our record!

And on the topic... Do you practice one-finger scales? I used to play Segovia's scales using only i or m.



Florian -> RE: Picado is Impossible! (Jan. 18 2006 2:59:39)

quote:

Yes! That's why I played Panaderos on the 3rd fret


AHA !! SO you admit it [:)] i tought that song sounded familliar but i wasent sure !!



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