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eitanfar -> Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 7:19:15)
Hi all, I read somewhere that Sabicas used to play a blanca with solid cypress top (as well as sides and back). However, I didn't really see such guitars being made these days (only looked at brand names though). What's the pros and cons of a solid cypress top ? I guess that if it was that good, people would be buying such guitars today, right ? Also, isn't cypress a bit too soft to be used as a top ? Thanks, Eitan

keith -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 8:50:09)
sabicas may have played a cypress top but he is known for playing a ramirez with a red western cedar top for many years.

eitanfar -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 10:18:19)
That's true, but not really answers my question. Thanks anyway though ! [:)]

tri7/5 -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 12:21:09)
Interested to hear the responses. I have never heard of a cypress top.

Tom Blackshear -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 14:09:17)
Chamaecyparis lawsoniana (Lawson cypress) is a species of conifer in the genus Chamaecyparis, family Cupressaceae, native to Oregon and California. It occurs from sea level up to 1,500 m (4,900 ft) in the Klamath Mountains valleys, often along streams. It is called Port Orford cedar in its native locality. I have built one flamenco top with this wood and it works just fine with a thin top, due to the stiffness of the wood. But Spruce and Cedar are the most common woods used. http://www.classicguitar.com/f-07Blackshear.html

estebanana -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 14:20:48)
Port Orford makes good steel string tops too. I have a couple backs left, but no more ribs for the three of four backs might become steel string tops! Also curious, but it might makes good classical guitar, but I expect it would sound like cedar more than spruce.

Tom Blackshear -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 14:38:42)
I believe that Bob Ruck built several classical guitars with Port Orford cedar tops, that turned out fine. I have yet to build a total cedar guitar with this wood, though I have built a total red cedar guitar a few times.

jshelton5040 -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 14:39:51)
I've heard of using Port Orford Cedar for tops but I've never seen a piece that I would consider a good candidate. All of it I've handled including the one set I have left has a tap tone about as interesting as balsa maybe I've just been unlucky. It's a nice wood otherwise, mills well and seems stable. I suppose it would be a good substitute for cypress but the price is about the same so why bother? Re: cypress for tops I've heard of using it and used to have a vinyl recording of a flamenco guitarist playing a guitar with a cypress top if I recall correctly his name was Bernabe de Moron. In the photo of him holding his guitar it certainly didn't look like a spruce top however I've never seen a piece of cypress that I would consider for topwood.

Ricardo -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 16:30:58)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear Chamaecyparis lawsoniana (Lawson cypress) is a species of conifer in the genus Chamaecyparis, family Cupressaceae, native to Oregon and California. It occurs from sea level up to 1,500 m (4,900 ft) in the Klamath Mountains valleys, often along streams. It is called Port Orford cedar in its native locality. I have built one flamenco top with this wood and it works just fine with a thin top, due to the stiffness of the wood. But Spruce and Cedar are the most common woods used. http://www.classicguitar.com/f-07Blackshear.html Wait, Lawson cypress and port orford are the exact same wood??? Why do the examples I am familiar with look completely different?? The lawson having quite dramatic figuring and the port orford being more plain like normal cypress? EDIT: OK I found examples of fine grained POC vs CURLY POC...they look so different. I suspect the the statement about sabicas is a miss print, intending to describe the back and sides of the guitar. John Mclaughlin had a cool looking nylon string guitar with a maple top....oooops never mind it's "flamed" spruce http://www.abrahamwechter.com/more-guitars/our-lady/ Ricardo

Tom Blackshear -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 18:20:13)
quote: Wait, Lawson cypress and port orford are the exact same wood??? Why do the examples I am familiar with look completely different?? The lawson having quite dramatic figuring and the port orford being more plain like normal cypress? Lawson cypress and Port Orford cedar are the same. What you may be looking at is slab cut opposed to quarter cut wood. The quartered wood is used for guitar tops; sometimes slab cut for sides and backs. Port Orford cedar is of the family of cypress not a real cedar like western red cedar. It could be that it developed its cedar name from its ginger like aroma. http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/softwoods/port-orford-cedar/ I have some nicely quartered wood in my shop but it's not for sale, as it is very hard to get. In other words, I would like to keep it for my own building purposes.

timoteo -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 21 2014 18:51:57)
quote: Port Orford cedar is of the family of cypress not a real cedar like western red cedar. It could be that it developed its cedar name from its ginger like aroma. Western Redcedar isn't a true cedar either - it's in the same cypress family (Cupressaceae) as Port Orford and Yellow Cedar. True cedars are in the Cedrus family, like the Deodar Cedar and the Lebanon Cedar. The foliage and bark of the Port Orford cedar is similar enough to the Western Redcedar (and other species) that it seems natural to group them together, but as to why entire classes of cypresses have "cedar" in their common name, that's a mystery. I would speculate it was named by someone who had never seen a true cedar, but knew that cedars were majestic conifers and thought these fit the bill.

Tom Blackshear -> RE: Cypress top (Oct. 22 2014 12:34:56)
quote: Western Red cedar isn't a true cedar either You are right. I stand corrected. I think I was thinking more about the red cedar being a softer wood compared to the Port Orford cedar.

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