Blondie#2 -> RE: Dani de Moron hand position (Oct. 7 2014 10:50:37)
My finger doesn't have pain, it just doesn't wanna do what I tell it to do, and the I fingert twitches if I rest my middle finger on the string, I'm trying to do as little planting as possible with the m finger, which is really hard cuz I've always practice planting.
And alternating imim arpeggio is hard cuz the i does a plucking motion when m plays, so it's really hard to do imim cuz the i is going iiiiiiii all the time.
Ok so we have already discussed your issue a few times:
With a movement disorder like this, your brain's map of I and M is messed up, and overlapping when it should be clear and distinct. When I had this problem my I finger wouldn't just twitch or do a plucking motion when I played M, it actually curled tightly into my palm, much worse than your problem.
I do not think that Dani's wrist position is relevant and trying to copy it will probably be a dead end for you assuming you have a comfortable position already
actually this isn't a 'flamenco technique' issue at all and a good place for advice would be the Facebook group Elie mentioned in one of the previous threads.
Basically, you need retrain I and M to work independently - pluck single notes slowly just with I, free stroke, using a metronome & ensuring you let it return and feel it empty of tension completely each time. Make sure I is not interfering with any other fingers. Actually check this out with A finger too.
Then try it the same with M finger but this is the critical bit - set the metronome at a speed at which you can pluck and return/relax M without *any* unwanted movement in I, not even the slightest twitch. You will need to calibrate that and you keep moving the metronome down until you get there, could be one note per second or even slower, that's your threshold. Don't plant.
Once you have that speed, you stay there for a couple of of weeks working on that exercise. Then, as planting is an issue, try the exercise with a small amount preparation/planting. So lets say you are plucking freely with M at one note every two seconds and metronome is clicking every second ; well now try preparing M on the string every click in between your pluck so you are going: plant-pluck-plant-pluck against the metronome click.
Hopefully that makes sense.
Do this for a couple of weeks before notching it up slightly and repeat for another couple of weeks always staying below threshold.
Try it with rest stroke too, though free stroke is more important.
Once you have worked on that and are making good progress (couple of months maybe) you start to introduce complexity - IM and MA alternations, with the same principles, then different arpeggio combos but again this has to be done slowly (the Giuliani 120 right hand studies are good for this, the Berg edition is excellent).
Trying to play repertoire or anything more complicated will simply ingrain the problem you already have, it is like playing a stuck record, the needle will keep following the wrong path and if anything just consolidate that wrong path.
You need a lot of patience to retrain and resolve this, but it is certainly possible. I am sure Orson will chip in, he has some valuable thoughts/experience on this too.
That's a basic outline, there are lots of little things and tricks to help things but I am a slow typist.
HTH and by the way this methodology has been published in a paper by Sakai called Slow Down Therapy, I can send you a copy if you like.