Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 4:02:13)
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Would you please play just one Alegrias compas, played slowly, and count the beat numbers out loud, naturally starting on Six. Thanks for your help.
Certainly!
When I play it within context I start on 12 with your basic alegrias/cantinas E on 12 and B on 3, I don't consider this portion as being part of the falseta, then I golpe on 6 to start the falseta, I play for 12 beats only minding my accents of 12 and 3, then the golpe begins my back to regular rhythm/compas strumming on 7 until I end on 10, like most cierres. That clear things up??
The statement was that you could start a falseta on 6, not that you could organize your entire alegrias around the idea of beginning your rhythmic cycles at 6.
Maybe what your getting at is what actually constitutes a falseta??? Like the battle of beard and stubble???
ZaidRockso -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 5:10:43)
Wow alot of details and help here, really appreciate this, This will help alot! Thanks!
machopicasso -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 6:33:22)
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Something as obvious as that doesn't require an explanation.
In fairness to the other posters, if it's as obvious to you as you claim then you should be able to explain it clearly.
Reading through this thread, it looks like people are speaking past one another. Perhaps the apparent disagreement can be resolved if we distinguish the following two things:
1) The starting-point for the compas (which starts on either 12 or 1);
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2) The starting-point for the falseta (i.e. when the guitarist comes in).
The falseta can begin on any beat, as long as the compas is respected and its starting-point on 1 (or 12) is recognized.
athrane77 -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 7:24:32)
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You have now said that there are twelve beats in this Alegrias falseta that begins on beat Six
No, obviously not Ramon. Are you able to read bad english [:D] 6+X*12 your falseta is X,5 compases long. Like I've said I wouldn't do this, because to me, everything I do sounds like a remate starting on six and the falseta starting on 1 or 12 actually, but if someone finds a nice melody or whatever and starting on 6 makes sense musical-wise, why not?
HolyEvil -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 8:07:05)
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ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira
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In this example: Start compas on Beat 12 or 1 (whichever you like) -> beat 5 - silence, falseta starts at beat 6, ends on 10.
I think that works
I'm trying really hard to understand this. Please help me. How many total beats are there in this hypothetical Alegrias falseta?
Ramon
There's 12 beats, 12-11 or 1-12 I really think u can start a falseta whenever u want as along as it's in compas, There's silence in the beginning and the falseta comes in and finishes at the end of the compas cycle, then next compas cycle starts.
tri7/5 -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 13:30:22)
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ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira
Andy - I couldn't agree with you more. Yes, you can do whatever you like - as long as it's in compas. Remember that last part.
Per your above you said you couldn't start it on 6, but now you say you can do whatever you like?
Ramon Amira -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 17:31:59)
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ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira
Andy - I couldn't agree with you more. Yes, you can do whatever you like - as long as it's in compas. Remember that last part.
Per your above you said you couldn't start it on 6, but now you say you can do whatever you like?
Please read my post properly. I said I agree with what Andy said - "You can do whatever you like - AS LONG AS IT IS IN COMPAS." I even stressed that last part, as I had done previously, because if we're not talking about playing in compas then it's a pointless discussion. I assumed that anyone who knows anything about flamenco would understand that I had to be referring in my original statement only to playing in compas
Ramon
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 17:51:22)
Did I play out of compas Ramon?? (Maybe off beat a lil but I was rushed and I hate recording. lol)
koenie17 -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 18:13:05)
Of course you can start a falseta at six or seven, like a small picado remate! as long as it is in compas of course! An intro for alegrías could be played more freely including the falsetas. I don´t understand what starting a falseta on six has to do with playing in compas?? You can start about anywhere and still be in compas.
Ramon Amira -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 18:18:19)
I am always willing to learn something new. It would be very helpful to me if anyone who feels you can - while staying in compas - begin an Alegrias falseta on Six, would please just write out the numbered beats of one Alegrias falseta, number by number, beginning with number Six. That's easy enough to do. Thanks for your help.
Ramon
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 18:45:34)
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I am always willing to learn something new. It would be very helpful to me if anyone who feels you can - while staying in compas - begin an Alegrias falseta on Six, would please just write out the numbered beats of one Alegrias falseta, number by number, beginning with number Six. That's easy enough to do. Thanks for your help.
Why are you side stepping me man... I did exactly what was posed. You know as well as I that playing it is just as well as writing it. I even counted the whole thing while I played. Sure my composition isn't great but it's not WRONG, it's on compas, and proves the point. You CAN start a falseta on 6. Am I crazy here??????
Ramon Amira -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 19:01:22)
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I am always willing to learn something new. It would be very helpful to me if anyone who feels you can - while staying in compas - begin an Alegrias falseta on Six, would please just write out the numbered beats of one Alegrias falseta, number by number, beginning with number Six. That's easy enough to do. Thanks for your help.
Why are you side stepping me man... I did exactly what was posed. You know as well as I that playing it is just as well as writing it. I even counted the whole thing while I played. Sure my composition isn't great but it's not WRONG, it's on compas, and proves the point. You CAN start a falseta on 6. Am I crazy here??????
No, I did not comment on your compas. I couldn't hear the count on the video. I'm just trying to grasp this idea. I would just like once to see one Alegrias falseta counted out in writing, number by number, starting on Six. Please help me here. Thanks - I really appreciate it.
Ramon
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 19:11:59)
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I couldn't hear the count on the video.
It's very loud and clear. I'm done..........
athrane77 -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 19:25:44)
What a troll.
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I would just like once to see one Alegrias falseta counted out in writing, number by number, starting on Six. Please help me here. Thanks - I really appreciate it.
No time for that.
Ramon Amira -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 19:39:15)
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What a troll.
Hey jof -
I've been a gentleman throughout this discussion, and I see no call or need for your comments. I have politely asked three or four times for the simplest of posts - just write out the beats of an Alegrias falseta number by number, starting with six. You could have written that out in the same amount of time it took to post your snide remark.
Ramon
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 19:54:56)
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just write out the beats of an Alegrias falseta number by number
..it shows you have feelings under that beard. [:D]
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 20:11:43)
Hahaha, and I give a lil shoulder baile on 12! [:D]
El Kiko -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 20:46:30)
hey that was great, Leñador , i really liked it .. in fact i would like to see it printed in the 3D all colour version .. and I would like you to personally come to my house and count it out to me , bring a few famous flamenco guitarists just to help us all keep things right JOF's not allowed to come as he is a obviously a meany....
tri7/5 -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 20:51:09)
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ORIGINAL: Ramon Amira
Please read my post properly. Ramon
Your post said you cannot start an Alegrias falseta on 6. That's all that was said. You said it as an absolute, nothing was misinterpreted. If you would like to expand on it that's fine but that's what you said.
"You cannot start an Alegrias falseta on six.
Ramon"
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 21:21:04)
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hey that was great, Leñador , i really liked it .. in fact i would like to see it printed in the 3D all colour version .. and I would like you to personally come to my house and count it out to me , bring a few famous flamenco guitarists just to help us all keep things right JOF's not allowed to come as he is a obviously a meany....
lololol We should be sure and hold hands though so we can really be sure we don't get into any trouble.
That's not the american way to spell color btw. [:D] lolol
Andy Culpepper -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 21:25:38)
Hey it feels good to have a good old-fashioned compás debate here no the Foro!
Here is what I meant by starting an Alegrias falseta on 6.
I play 2 compases of strumming, ending on 10. Beats 11-5 are silent and the falseta begins on 6 with the first G# chord landing on 10. Then come 4 more cycles of 12 in the falseta. The half compas of silence or tapado is not something I would use every day, but it certainly CAN be done for effect if desired. Those kinds of things can be useful for accompanying baile too.
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 21:32:27)
Awesome! That indeed works!
Andy Culpepper -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 21:34:44)
Lenador's example is great as well [:D]
Escribano -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 21:55:02)
Forgive my confusion but isn't this just about starting the compás cycle halfway through, as an intro? My head hurts [:D]
El Kiko -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 22:22:38)
@ Leñador exactly but Americans get Burglerized and we just get burgled..
anyway theres lot of words Americans cant spell ,,...so in this labour of humour I shall try to manoeuvre my American neighbour and centre the dialogue with a catalogue of defence ,to add a litre of flavour into the fibre of things ......
yesss....[:D][:D][:D]..i love words ...
Oh and nice one Andy Culpepper etc etc .....
Escribano -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 22:29:02)
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so in this labour of humour I shall try to manoeuvre my American neighbour and centre the dialogue with a catalogue of defence ,to add a litre of flavour into the fibre of things ......
I read somewhere that American spelling derives from Elizabethan English spelling, so they are right, we just got pompous... [:D]
After a few years in the US, I still say "gas", "freeway" and pronounce "router" the American way. "Rooter" just sounds rude. All off-topic, of course.
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 22:51:39)
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I read somewhere that American spelling derives from Elizabethan English spelling, so they are right, we just got pompous...
It's true! At least, I heard the same. lol I heard Elizabethan pronunciation was much closer to west coast/mid-west american than any British pronunciations. English was a rhotic language originally.....
El Kiko -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 22:59:01)
dunno about where that came from? , sounds like an American told you that one ... since the Elizabethan period was 1500 and 1600.. and the first concise dictionary of Johnson didnt get published until 1750 something or other ...before that you could spell in your region any old way ...and America wasnt invented until 1492 (Columbus sailed the ocean blue) ... I seriously doubt if the native Americans of the 15, 16 and even 17oo's were learning early English spelling .....still .... sorry to go far off topic .....
So yeah ...start on 6 and make a half compas .... yeaa.....
Leñador -> RE: Question about compas (Jul. 23 2014 23:17:40)
It may have been a Canadian eh. [:D]
I am pretty sure that England went non-rhotic within the last couple hundred years though....
I'm not convinced about this 6 thing though, keep talking. [;)]
