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Ruphus -> Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 15 2014 10:03:03)

Cats have the greatest bravery in the animal world.
And even your small house cat can engage itself for your family members if she feels like it.
A cousin of mine had a cat that would defend his pudel, his German shepherd dogs and a fellow cat.

And today I came across this YT-video that seems to become famous.


Ruphus



rombsix -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 15 2014 14:48:16)

Video:




Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 15 2014 16:27:54)

Thanks for the actual URL!
I had taken it from a google link and checking it first ain´t easy from here.

Ruphus



cigany -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 16 2014 14:39:59)

That cat is awesome! However, the most fearless creature in the animal kingdom happens to be the honey badger. It's been known to attack lions and rhinos. Very funny video:




Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 16 2014 15:51:17)

True about the honey badger!
( I remember a movie with a pilot stranding somwhere in Africa, and annoying such a badger. The badger bit into his boots and wouldn´t let go until the guy took of the boot. Then the badger would keep following the one-booted limping guy over days. hehehe [:D] Crazy beast!)

Another similarly couraged animal BTW is the badgers cousin, the glutton. It shys away wolve packs and confronts grizzlies when it is about prey.

Though cat´s bravery stays very remarkable, you beat me to it: What zoologists summed up about the cat family accurately quoted was that they are most efficient in fight and hunt.
This way it should be put correctly now.

Thanks for the correction!

Ruphus



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 21 2014 16:13:10)

Nice honey badger vid! Now I know why they gave Tyronn Mathieu, the NFL safety, that nickname.



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 21 2014 17:26:32)

I've had cats most of my life and people have no idea how loyal they can be.



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 21 2014 18:30:29)

In the Germany of 40+ years ago and likely in much of the world still there used to be a wide-spread stereotype that went like: "Cats do not bound with men. They might be loyal to buildings but will not connect to a person".

Only one of so many examples that show how blind people can be notwithstanding thousands of years worth of possible observation and understanding.
And that is just the moderate blindness in the modern West.

Over here in the Middle East any sensible mind can only despair over the superstition-driven rigid detouched, ignorant and cruel being. It is beyond words.
Not to mention its victims.

Ruphus



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 21 2014 19:03:07)

Ruphus, you are so right about this. Cats do bond with specific individuals and those bonds are as important to them emotionally as they are to any person. I had to cat-sit my parents’ cat for the last five years of his life and he ended up staying with me for about two years during that time. Toward the end of his life I was driving him back to my parents' place and noticed tears in his eyes and on his cheeks.

There are so many anecdotes that I could refer to that I have to wonder why people choose to remain ignorant about this sort of phenomena.



Leñador -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 21 2014 19:36:37)

My girlfriends cat has a clear preference for me, and I don't even feed it. He follows me around, sleeps between my feet, whines when I leave. I think it's cus she just kisses and cuddles him and I actually wrestle and play with him, she says it's a boy thing. lol



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 0:22:39)

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ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco

Ruphus, you are so right about this. Cats do bond with specific individuals and those bonds are as important to them emotionally as they are to any person. I had to cat-sit my parents’ cat for the last five years of his life and he ended up staying with me for about two years during that time. Toward the end of his life I was driving him back to my parents' place and noticed tears in his eyes and on his cheeks.


When I moved to Heidelberg to study WT I had to leave my cat to my girl-friend of that time. And she triumphed thatt now finally she would become the cats darling while the cat would distance itself from me.

Already experienced with tight friendships with cats I answered that such would not happen / me staying of same relevance to the cat. She wouldn´t believe.
But whenever I would turn up in the coming years you could clearly see that I was still no.1 for the cat.

I still regret to have left behind this pet of mine, ... deceived it if you will. I know, he never understood why only I left.



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ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco



There are so many anecdotes that I could refer to that I have to wonder why people choose to remain ignorant about this sort of phenomena.


Some points ( that you probably know of already):

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The damning of all animals with lentil-formed iris as demoniac by the Catholic Church, and especially of cats as alleged assistants of witches. The cat burning epoche appears to have penetrated other major culture spheres too, and it sustains globally to these days.

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Cats communication is basically different from human. This leads to misunderstandings which again make awkward observers assume deviousness and ungratefulness.

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A survey from years ago revealed that many people, especially unathletic ones envy cats for their outstandingly elegant nimbleness. ( Right how stupid and self-related can humans really be. [8|])

Ruphus



Graham_B -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 7:42:13)

Never forgetting that these wonderful pets are actually efficient and ruthless predators that kill hundreds of millions of non-pest animals and birds every year [:(]



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 8:39:44)

... And that there have been made studies that revealed how birds compensate for the killings of cats with repeated breedings within a season.
They will even compensate for nest robbings through corvids unless those were heavily over populated.

Weird thing in my direct ambience here is that there is no place with nearly as much singing birds like in a gated community nearby, which in the same time is literally crowded with both cats and corvids.
Go figure, on layman stereotype.

Ruphus

PS:
And while cats are the most efficient hunters in the animal world, they differ from each other. Some are eager to hunt, others could care less as long as you feed them. I have even seen a stray cat that was not fed yet harmless like a spoiled house cat in the same time.

PS2:
Better not to forget what we owe to cats. Their keeping our domiciles free from rodents was substantial contribution to our well-being since settlement.



Escribano -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 8:41:32)

We have a Bengal who is extremely sociable with us and people he knows. He talks freely and will answer you in conversation. He adores our lurcher and will tolerate all kinds of abuse from her, including being chased (which he loves), being stomped on and gently nibbled. If you know lurchers, you will know that this relationship is quite rare.

He is also a ruthless killer of mice, and rats as big as him. Rather than just trophies, he eats them. Unfortunately the odd bird is also amongst his prey. Fitting a bell works but it wakes us at night when he is up and about.

Bengals are more like dogs than cats in their social skills and intelligence. He is quite small (as a runt) but has the heart and courage of a leopard. Rather him than the idle, fat nylon cats around these parts.

Until we got him, I was ambivalent about cats but not anymore.



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edguerin -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 9:26:02)

Yeah, some cats are dogs [:D]

As to the original vid, I was wondering how anybody could point their camera at the kid, at the dog, then the cat, and not drop everything to rush in to help the kid....



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 9:57:23)

I thought them to be stationary. And the kid was picked up instantly.
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Many think dogs would be more intelligent than cats. But that is grounded on dogs behaviour being more analog to our repertoir.
Seen from pure brain work capacity, cats have more neurons ( dogs 160 mio, cats 300 mio).

The two are hard to objectively compare and seem rather on par the more you observe them.

Ruphus



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 12:08:48)

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As to the original vid, I was wondering how anybody could point their camera at the kid, at the dog, then the cat, and not drop everything to rush in to help the kid....


The vid was taken with a surveillance video camera.



cigany -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 16:39:02)

Speaking of loyalty and intelligence, this cat waits for it's owner at the train station:



hamia -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 19:20:08)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruphus

In the Germany of 40+ years ago and likely in much of the world still there used to be a wide-spread stereotype that went like: "Cats do not bound with men. They might be loyal to buildings but will not connect to a person".

Only one of so many examples that show how blind people can be notwithstanding thousands of years worth of possible observation and understanding.
And that is just the moderate blindness in the modern West.

Ruphus


Quite shocking to find out that the Germans were capable of such prejudice and stereotyping. Who would have imagined it?



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 22 2014 20:02:24)

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ORIGINAL: hamia

Quite shocking to find out that the Germans were capable of such prejudice and stereotyping. Who would have imagined it?


I thought you would have known already.
After all in your neck of the woods many of the people like to raise their arms and utter "Heil Hitler!" the minute they hear that one comes from Germany, stupidly assuming their faible for the holocaust to be appreciated.

Out of all you mentioning the pillars of backwardedness like prejustice, indifference and detouchment; that takes the biscuit![8|]

Ruphus



hamia -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 2:57:03)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruphus

quote:

ORIGINAL: hamia

Quite shocking to find out that the Germans were capable of such prejudice and stereotyping. Who would have imagined it?


I thought you would have known already.
After all in your neck of the woods many of the people like to raise their arms and utter "Heil Hitler!" the minute they hear that one comes from Germany, stupidly assuming their faible for the holocaust to be appreciated.

Out of all you mentioning the pillars of backwardedness like prejustice, indifference and detouchment; that takes the biscuit![8|]

Ruphus


Your English is taking the biscuit! Normally I manage to decipher your meaning but this time I'm stumped!



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 8:36:03)

I said that you, coming from the deliberately most uneducated and unworldly region of the planet, should not wonder about anything other than how to change something about the backwardedness at home.

If needed I can splice the above into three short sentences, if it be easier for you to get it.

Ruphus



Escribano -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 10:05:35)

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After all in your neck of the woods many of the people like to raise their arms and utter "Heil Hitler!" the minute they hear that one comes from Germany, stupidly assuming their faible for the holocaust to be appreciated.


Just to clarify your language. Are you saying that the Holocaust is a fable i.e. a myth or legend?



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 10:45:17)

Just the opposite!
I am critisizing that in the moslem world no small number of people ( specially on the country side) will make the Hitler greeting when they hear that you are coming from Germany. They do not mean it ironically. In fact with their antisemitism they feel grateful to the Third Reich for its holocaust.

And they will be looking irritated when you declare your disgust about such behaviour. And when you start dismantling their objections and absurd idea about the person of Hitler or about alleged advance in the TR or the ethnological Nazi myth on Aryan descent BS etc. you can see that it is unheard content to them.

Ruphus

PS:

Having said that, Iranian officials have just days ago distanced themselves from Ahmedinedshad´s denial of the holocaust. Which I think to have been a due and positive move, and maybe the first alike in the official moslem landscape.



Escribano -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 11:12:03)

OK, it was the way you constructed the sentence.



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 11:38:37)

I would be interested to learn how the semantics of that sentence actually come accross.
( Understanding that, could help me with syntax in the future.)

Ruphus



Escribano -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 12:12:51)

quote:

I would be interested to learn how the semantics of that sentence actually come accross.


I'm not sure I can. I think you mean that in their minds, the Holocaust was a positive event and should be appreciated as such. The fact that you are German means that they expect you to feel the same way.

That's the best I can do.



Ruphus -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 14:18:15)

You misunderstood me.
What I asked for is to kindly hear from you ( native speakers ) what appears to be semantically given in this sentence:
quote:

After all in your neck of the woods many of the people like to raise their arms and utter "Heil Hitler!" the minute they hear that one comes from Germany, stupidly assuming their faible for the holocaust to be appreciated.


Thank you!
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One thing in advance I think should be corrected might be "... the minute they hear that one comes from Germany ..." which I guess should be "is coming from Germany".

Ruphus



Escribano -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 14:21:45)

quote:

One thing in advance I think should be corrected might be "... the minute they hear that one comes from Germany ..." which I guess should be "coming from Germany".


Nope, "comes from" is correct. It is the word "fable" that is confusing. It can mean something talked of in glorious terms, amongst other things. In this case you might say "... assuming stupidly that their fabled Holocaust is to be appreciated."



edguerin -> RE: Bodyguarding Cat Tara (May 25 2014 16:02:16)

Actually the German word "Faible" should be translated with "liking for" or "penchant for".
The English "fable" is equivalent to the German "Fabel".
So it's semantics rather than syntax.



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