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Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 2:36:02)

Heavy Mellow, I'm a big Mario Regis fan too. His stuff (maybe his dad wrote it?) from some of the Chico albums was top-shelf rumba, IMO.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 2:39:51)

Damn, Mark, you are always so on the money! When guys are getting the right sound out of the instrument, something nice is usually going on.



Mark2 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 16:02:39)

Thanks Miguel,
After all these years I still don't have much picado, but I've managed to grow a few opinions. Which, are like...........


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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria

Damn, Mark, you are always so on the money! When guys are getting the right sound out of the instrument, something nice is usually going on.



Arash -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 16:21:49)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo



Oh man Di meola was so crossed and started in the wrong beat...poor paco had to adjust compas for him that HE started...on his own song. How irritating.


Maybe Al di was searching for the dots again (0:25) ;)



I also like that pseudo intellectual "it has everything" comment from that dude in the background. Its like driving a ferrari with high heels and 20 mph and then your co driver says: it has everything :/



El Kiko -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 17:01:57)

when was the last time you drove a Ferrari in high heels Arash ....?

very suspicious .....[:-]



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 15 2013 22:08:42)

Couple more "fakemenco" guilty pleasures:
Gloria Bendita, Chuscales
Sahara (instumental version), Los Ninos de Sara
Entre dos Something, can't remember, by someone



guitarbuddha -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 16 2013 2:15:05)

John Downland
Miguel De Fuenllanna
Gaspar Sanz
Robert Johnson
Randy Rhoads
George Formby
Tiny Tim

D.



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 16 2013 3:24:00)

I know there is already a thread about Kema, but this is some astonishing and vicious guitar work



I think this stuff is easier to digest than a lot flamenco, because the model is very much like pop and light rock music where a soloist plays over a melodic chord progression in straight time



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 16 2013 3:39:06)

I'm checking these out presently

Damn, found this one by Los Ninos de Sara, love the Arab girl in the blue dress [:)]




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mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 17 2013 2:33:54)

So I was listening to some Ottmart, because I wasn't really familiar with his discography despite seeing him dissed 1431 times or so and to my pleasant surprise I found some of his stuff was pretty decent..not real flamenco by any means, but nice.

I have to say I prefer his cover of Melchor de Marchena's Turkish Night more than any Alegria I've ever heard or most of Siroco



Delta_Slider -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 17 2013 23:09:55)

Here's a local guy I really like, Dave Beegle. I like his shows because he plays flamenco, fusion, will switch to a steel string and play Zep and his own stuff. All good stuff. I've seem him go from picado to a flat pick and back in the same song, no doubt that will annoy someone!



I do like the GK's and Liebert. Both responsible for eventually getting me to flamenco. However, I like the GK's live and the one time I saw Liebert live I nearly fell asleep.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 18 2013 1:23:34)

Not really digging the Beegle myself.

I went to see Ottmar and actually did fall asleep. Actually, so did my wife.



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 3:55:16)

This is rather surreal. Whats even more strange is I think this was a nightmare I once had



...this however...this goes beyond fakemenco...i don't even know what this is, but its incredible



Arash -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 4:02:24)

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ORIGINAL: mark74


...this however...this goes beyond fakemenco...i don't even know what this is, but its incredible



pukemenco?



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 4:12:29)

I'm thinking that video has to be a parody, but I'm hoping it isn't. I'm thinking there can't possibly be one person in the world who could find that good and yet I'm hoping there is



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Leñador -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 5:35:13)

Benise makes me want to stab myself in the ears with an ice pick......



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 16:19:41)

Mark, good finds! That Benise is crazy, but what needs to be understood is: There's a fine line between parody and a million dollars. It's really perfect, add together a romance novel, movie imagery and sound cues, a guy who kind of looks like and acts like Antonio Banderas in "Desperado", rip off the one of the most romantic melodies ever written, add a little dirt and sweat. It's perfect! Take the Esteban/Ottmar model and add good production values and better looks. The only thing stopping that guy is timing, he's probably too late in the game.

Now I'm going to go play some Baroque music to try to undo the damage of watching those two vids.



Erik van Goch -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 19 2013 18:55:18)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

I'm thinking there can't possibly be one person in the world who could find that good and yet I'm hoping there is

Have a refreshing look at the Youtube comments :-).



Guest -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 1:31:23)

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.i don't even know what this is, but its incredible

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mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 3:33:00)

Listening to Kema again and I wonder if Paco coud have done that in his prime..this guy Kema is legendary



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 3:34:45)

I saw that and I'm glad for it thank you sir. The world is less boring when the element of madness reigns supreme



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 3:40:03)

I don't know if this guy is really worth a million dollars. If he is then what dos that say when Don Nino Miguel wondered the streets in poverty for two decades?

Did you see the segment between 2:00 and 2:15?

What the hell was that? And why?



mark74 -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 4:13:46)

I feel like listening to Seek and Destroy



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 6:02:29)

It's not worth a million dollars, but he might get a million dollars!

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ORIGINAL: mark74
What the hell was that? And why?


I... don't know....



ToddK -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 6:53:59)

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I know there is already a thread about Kema, but this is some astonishing and vicious guitar work


Let me get this right;

Recycle Tonino riffs, but with less musicality. Check

Really horrible tone. Check

Painfully uninteresting harmony. Check

Exhaust all rhythmic motiffs in the first 2 minutes. Check.

At the end, say screw the tempo of the song, and just play
as fast as you possibly can. Check.

Yep, he's got it all. Damn it, i've been working on all the wrong aspects![8D]



Ricardo -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 12:04:56)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

I feel like listening to Seek and Destroy



Back to some fakemenco I actually like....there are some historical flamenco guitar solo pieces that are not really flamenco form based but really nice. Esteban De Sanlucar composed a lot of these (Panaderos, Caracoles, Mantilla de Feria etc). Perhaps things like Escudero's "impetu" which takes a lot from the spanish classical stuff but puts it in a nice compas, but hard to consider that a die hard "buleria"...still fantastic composition. I could listen to entire concerts of those types of pieces. Modern flamenco players keeping that tradition alive somewhat, so long as they are not doing the jazz fusion thing (no more boleros please). RIqueni for one has some nice things like that, Sanlucar, Nuñez, Cañizares.... Paco and others not so much, they stick to flamenco forms.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 12:17:26)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo




Back to some fakemenco I actually like....there are some historical flamenco guitar solo pieces that are not really flamenco form based but really nice. Esteban De Sanlucar composed a lot of these (Panaderos, Caracoles, Mantilla de Feria etc). Perhaps things like Escudero's "impetu" which takes a lot from the spanish classical stuff but puts it in a nice compas, but hard to consider that a die hard "buleria"...still fantastic composition. I could listen to entire concerts of those types of pieces. Modern flamenco players keeping that tradition alive somewhat, so long as they are not doing the jazz fusion thing (no more boleros please). RIqueni for one has some nice things like that, Sanlucar, Nuñez, Cañizares.... Paco and others not so much, they stick to flamenco forms.


I'm gonna go right ahead and agree with all of that.
In particular Nunez has carried on the EDL and Escudero tradition with some cracking self contained solo pieces.

Probably just a crazy dream but wouldn't it be great if Paco did an album or even a folio of new compositions in this style ? Marrying his current technical textural and (mostly missing from the above composers, extended harmonic vocabulary and use of non standard modulation for colour) with the performance style of the first few albums and the monumental En Vivo concerts. That would be ....something else.

D,



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Fakemenco you like (Nov. 20 2013 13:37:03)

Okay, I was listening to Nino de Pura's album Pozo y Caudal. Some of that is definitely fakemenco. I used to kind of make fun of it, but it's pleasant and exciting if you can get over the commercial production.



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