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machopicasso -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 2 2012 8:13:14)

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I'm starting to play a bit this week and its going great. I have just changed my approach.


That's fantastic! Good for your for being disciplined during your recovery. It sounds like it's paying-off.



Don Dionisio -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 2 2012 13:32:02)

Such good news, Todd!
All the best as you continue on the road to full recovery.
Dennis



hamia -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 3 2012 14:29:55)

Maybe try plucking from the middle joint of the right hand - with a flat hand. It takes a long time (years) to get good at this but it's very efficient and doesn't put the large knuckle under any stress at all. The large knuckle obviously plays a part but the middle joint provides the snappy follow through. I believe this is how PdL plays - although I know many disagree!



JohnWalshGuitar -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 3 2012 15:13:23)

Hey Todd,
Have just been reading this thread. I'm very sorry to hear about your difficulties. I wish you a speedy recovery and glad to hear that you are on the mend. you are a truly fantastic musician.
From your videos I can see that you also have an absolutely great sense of musicality and no hand injury will ever affect that.
All the best,
John



aloysius -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 4 2012 8:32:29)

That's great to hear - hope you recover quickly!



Ricardo -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 4 2012 17:04:00)

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Maybe try plucking from the middle joint of the right hand - with a flat hand. It takes a long time (years) to get good at this but it's very efficient and doesn't put the large knuckle under any stress at all. The large knuckle obviously plays a part but the middle joint provides the snappy fol


Interesting thought. While I disagree 100% about the power of the stroke coming from the middle joint, I wonder if orientating the hand in that way where the middle joints are bent and the big joint much straighter might make less friction on the tendon sheath as Todd described. In other words, I wonder if doing picado with straighter fingers that point down into the strings (as per Paco Cepero Grisha and others) create more friction of the tendons pulling OVER the big knuckles vs players that use bent finger/flat hand orientation....



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hamia -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 5 2012 0:35:10)

Straight fingers will put the most stress on the large knuckle - this is the principle of a lever. You can see this is true by holding a very long stick and trying to move a heavy object around - it will be much more difficult than using a very short stick.

My own experience is that using the flat hand, middle knuckle approach doesn't seem to cause any problems even after excessive practice. When I was starting out I used to use a very large plucking force and would practice for long periods of very repetitive plucking with no ill effect (not that I'm recommending this approach - although it does build up strength).



ToddK -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 1:55:49)

Managed to re-injure myself. Thought i was being really careful.
I was wrong apparently.

Pain and swelling are back with a vengeance. Here i go again.
I dont know if i can go through all this again.
Can somebody just kill me now?
TK



kudo -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 2:47:07)

oh noo!! hang on, amigo !



Arash -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 8:49:50)

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ORIGINAL: ToddK

Managed to re-injure myself. Thought i was being really careful.
I was wrong apparently.

Pain and swelling are back with a vengeance. Here i go again.
I dont know if i can go through all this again.
Can somebody just kill me now?
TK


sh!it man.
Maybe your definition of "being really careful" is practicing again for few hours a day. Take it easy man and make a complete pause until its really healed.



KMMI77 -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 9:13:34)

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Pain and swelling are back with a vengeance. Here i go again.


That sounds freakin annoying man! But don't give up yet. You still have plenty of time.

Once you heal again, try to remember that music does not need to be fast and complex to be great and communicate something cool. I don't believe you have anything left to prove in the technical/playing fast department. Perhaps you can find a new way of expressing inside your injury safe zone?



XXX -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 10:09:48)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

Maybe try plucking from the middle joint of the right hand - with a flat hand. It takes a long time (years) to get good at this but it's very efficient and doesn't put the large knuckle under any stress at all. The large knuckle obviously plays a part but the middle joint provides the snappy fol


Interesting thought. While I disagree 100% about the power of the stroke coming from the middle joint, I wonder if orientating the hand in that way where the middle joints are bent and the big joint much straighter might make less friction on the tendon sheath as Todd described. In other words, I wonder if doing picado with straighter fingers that point down into the strings (as per Paco Cepero Grisha and others) create more friction of the tendons pulling OVER the big knuckles vs players that use bent finger/flat hand orientation....


I think bent fingers require more force. Point about Leverage is true, but think about stress in the fingers needed to bent them. For example when doing sit ups, it is much harder when youre at the top 10% of height than when your head is on the ground, even though the leverage is bigger.



Ricardo -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 12:56:50)

You have amazing picking tech man. Just back to that for now
and re examin rh finger technique long after you heal.



Ron.M -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 13:01:28)

Or think of the great thumb technique you could develop over the next few months..

cheers,

Ron



Richard Jernigan -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 17:39:29)

Todd, with the intelligence, initiative and persistence you have demonstrated to arrive at your very high level of playing, you obviously have what it takes to overcome this injury. Hang in there.

RNJ



ToddK -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 17:58:46)

Thanks all. Sorry to be such a whiner! I'll be fine, i just need to vent.

its a frustrating situation, but eventually, i will be back to normal.

it just takes time. Im learning alot about myself in the process, so thats not
a bad thing. :)

TK



malakka -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 18:35:45)

Todd,

I too have a sort of RSI and have been dealing with it for a year and a half. I won't go into details, but it SUCKS. I found that I take a step or two forward and then a step back. Things have improved, I can play arpeggios now and couldn't before. Picado is still a problem as is tremolo. Fortunately rasqueados are fine. Extreme patience and diligence to a good practice regime is important. I am sure you are aware of this and like you said, you just need to vent.

I too have learned a lot about myself in my process of recovering - releasing tensions, practicing more intelligently and with focus, letting go of my interior critic, etc. Most of all, trying to put a timetable on getting back to "normal" should be avoided. Your recovery will happen, just relax and enjoy the time with you guitar.

I guess I just needed to vent as well.

Best of luck to you!



Miguel de Maria -> RE: The gift of pain (Mar. 15 2012 19:05:07)

For a doer, doing nothing is the hardest thing, isn't it? Todd, I've been taking some singing lessons. What do you say we do a singing challenge together, in say six months? Just don't clench your hands when you go for the high notes!



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