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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

I wonder where he initially found the budget to put on such shows?

I think it's clever the way he surrounds himself with musicians of a higher level. His percussionists have very solid rhythm. They create a lot of energy in his shows providing a platform for him to do whatever he can musically. Then other good musicians fill up all the space and re enforce whatever he does.

It's mainly about his good looks and personality on stage. The music is tight enough. He reminds me of that Andre Rieu violin guy.

Those golpes on the guitar that the dancer responds to at the beginning are pretty lame though [:D]

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ORIGINAL: vigrond

Not Flamenco, but still entertaining in its own way.

Flamenco is like a perspective...either you have it or you don't

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can u tell me what type of flamenco is it?

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Nice...same type of flamenco as this pretty much:

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im bored please post more!!!! :)

especially more video uploads!!

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The cutaway should have been the tipoff

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Well, since this thread has no point we can go off topic..

I have a serious question to you coz u r in Toronto right now! Do you think its a good idea to go to Toronto during Christmas? Or is it just freaking cold and there is nothing to see and do? A friend of mine is going..and since I still have no idea what to do during Christmas/new year.. I might join. But I hope there is a wonder and I meet some nice people to celebrate these free days with....In the Us.. If I leave the US now I could get problems reentering the states... So..maybe not Toronto..

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If you see the guitar player wearing a cape, it is not flamenco.

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thanks, sir. I know nothing about flamenco and heck! I created an account here to learn and what? I get attacked? Don't treat me like an outsider, sir. Not cool.
I don't know what is real flamenco, I don't know what are sevillanas, bulerías, alegrías and all...
I hated flamenco but I started to appreciate it, just help me here. May I ask, Why u don't like the music in this video?

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Grisha's playing on this one always impressed me.

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ORIGINAL: jaggedsphere

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thanks, sir. I know nothing about flamenco and heck! I created an account here to learn and what? I get attacked? Don't treat me like an outsider, sir. Not cool.
I don't know what is real flamenco, I don't know what are sevillanas, bulerías, alegrías and all...
I hated flamenco but I started to appreciate it, just help me here. May I ask, Why u don't like the music in this video?

Oh hey sorry, no hard feelings! The video is very commercial and kind of a stereotypical facsimile of what people can think flamenco is. Talking about what flamenco is or isn't can get a little tense. I say, if you enjoy it then cool. [;)]

Did not mean to troll. Sorry!

Here is one of Grisha playing Panaderos.(I'd post something with dance and cante but nothing comes to mind right now)

Grisha's playing on this one always impressed me.

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ORIGINAL: NenadK

This video offends me.

To answer the question, no this is not flamenco.

Telling real flamenco apart from cheap knockoffs isn't easy for a beginner but one thing is ALWAYS true: If you see the guitar player wearing a cape, it is not flamenco.

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ORIGINAL: Florian

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give me ur thoughts about this video

normally i don't care about who does what...but this guy is just pathetic, smells of desperation to be a sex symbol, its Fabio on guitar lol...if the clothes and hair were just for the videoclip i would have understood but i have seen him looking like that before.....every bul**hit ignorance and stereotypical clique people in the west have about flamenco hes put in...sad thing is...i am sure hes been around long enough to see real flamenco...its not as if he dosent know....not as if youtube dosent exist in his part of the world....u would have to hear and see some real flamenco to try and water it down and rob it of everything that means something..

hes like the 40 something ,white, housewife, soccer moms sex symbol

lol what the f*uk was the tapping ? lol

the music, malaguena part is entertaining enough...because of everyone else...hes just playing the same licks to death which as KMMI77 said sound good cause of what they doing...


other then that it was great

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ORIGINAL: Munin

Chambao, Ojos de Brujo and Nina Pastori are flamenco musicians doing flamenco-influenced pop music so they are usually a good and tasteful entry point for people new to flamenco.

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ORIGINAL: Yojimbo

Looks like it was filmed in one of the Alhambra buildings though.

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I get what u mean. I guess it's just a show like some mentioned, stereotypical like u say. Like comparing Green Day with August Burns Red ( ABR is the real thing).


thanks for Grisha video, really amazing. I can see part of La Virgen de Guadalupe on the background of the video xD .

can u give ur opinion on these artist?(I'm trying to learn what's the good stuff):

1-Lole y Manuel
2- Chambao
3-Ojos De Brujo
4-Tomatito
5-Martirio
6-Nina Pastori
7-Estrella Morente
8-Jim Stubblefield
9-Armik
10-Gipsy Kings
11-Johannes Linstead
12-Jesse Cook

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ORIGINAL: jaggedsphere

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I get what u mean. I guess it's just a show like some mentioned, stereotypical like u say. Like comparing Green Day with August Burns Red ( ABR is the real thing).


thanks for Grisha video, really amazing. I can see part of La Virgen de Guadalupe on the background of the video xD .

can u give ur opinion on these artist?(I'm trying to learn what's the good stuff):

1-Lole y Manuel
2- Chambao
3-Ojos De Brujo
4-Tomatito
5-Martirio
6-Nina Pastori
7-Estrella Morente
8-Jim Stubblefield
9-Armik
10-Gipsy Kings
11-Johannes Linstead
12-Jesse Cook

Now I have to look into ABR. Right now I'm listening to She Wants Revenge(NOT flamenco ;)

Do not know all the names off of your list but Tomatito is a favorite of mine. Have been meaning to get Cook's latest album(supposed to be very good). Gypsy Kings are
very good rumba but not very flamenco but are at times flamenco-esque.
Hang out here long enough and you will see some very good examples of flamenco.

For myself, some time ago, I realized that there is no flamenco if it does not have compas. It's sort of the central element upon which flamenco singing/dance/guitar is based.

Lately I have been listening to the Paco Pena 'flamenco' album.

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oh ok, cool and thanks for the reply.
I guess there are different compás in flamenco.
How can u tell the compas in a flamenco song? the beats?
oh and try and listen to some artists of the list I wrote and tell me what u think (whenever u can)
August Burns Red(ABR) are really good btw

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ORIGINAL: jaggedsphere

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oh ok, cool and thanks for the reply.
I guess there are different compás in flamenco.
How can u tell the compas in a flamenco song? the beats?
oh and try and listen to some artists of the list I wrote and tell me what u think (whenever u can)
August Burns Red(ABR) are really good btw

Lole y Manuel...hmm I have see this man before in something.
Here we are:

What a cool video.

Jeez, you know, going through your list there seems to be some interesting artists there. But what it comes down to is I think that flamenco is a very sophisticated form from which much can be taken away and applied elsewhere. Take for instance the wealth that is flamenco guitar technique. The techniques themselves are not necessarily flamenco and could be applied to any style of music and would most certainly enrich it. But that's just one example.
Arguing what is 'real' flamenco and what is not can be unfair. I personally would prefer to think in terms of what is honest vs commercial.

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isn't flamingo some kind of a pink bird?

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ORIGINAL: kudo

Here is flamenco online TV:
http://www.canalflamencotv.com/

flamenco is classified by forms (palo) , read more about flamenco palo and compas.

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ORIGINAL: mezzo

E7 as you speak castellano, you should watch all the videos linked in this topic.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=182779&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

maybe you'll have a better overview after.

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ORIGINAL: kudo

you will find a lot of youtube videos if you search for these great flamenco artists below, and ofcourse Paco de Lucia is the best one to search for. this list below is in random order of what came to my mind as im writing:
1- Paco de Lucia
2- Vicente Amigo
3- Tomatito
4- Gerardo Nunez
5- Moraito
6- Diego del Gastor
7- Diego del Morao
8- Manolo Sanlucar
9- pepe habichuela
10- Sabicas
11-Manuel Valencia
12- juan marote
13-Jason Mcguire (here is here on the forum)
14- Ricardo Marlow (here is here on the forum)
15- Grisha Goryachev (here is here on the forum)

they are from different times, styles and areas. if you listen to them all , you will know what real flamenco really is.

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How long has it been since someone was burned at the stake in Spain?