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rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 17:03:35)

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Practice arpegios while holding a pair of coins between your index and middle fingers and middle and ring fingers.


What about the pinky / little finger though? Should I have a coin in between my ring and pinky fingers too? Considering that the issue here is the pinky finger sticking out...



RoJay1 -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 17:31:59)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

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Practice arpegios while holding a pair of coins between your index and middle fingers and middle and ring fingers.


What about the pinky / little finger though? Should I have a coin in between my ring and pinky fingers too? Considering that the issue here is the pinky finger sticking out...


The need to compress your fingers to hold the coins should force you to curl your pinky in next to your ring finger. I think this will become apparent if you give the exercise a shot. You can also put a coin between the pinky and ring finger, but I think this would be overkill. Just remember that the exercise will feel extremely awkward art first, but its shouldn't take more than a few days to become comfortable.



Elie -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 17:59:34)

I worked with a teacher who used the same method but with MATCHES between fingers, but I didn't like the idea and never used it

hey Romb in case you used matches ,, keep in mind not lighting them while playing [;)]



ralexander -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 18:10:21)

pinky finger? I just cut mine off [:D]



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 18:45:25)

I figured that the coins between i/m and m/a should force the pinky to behave, but I just needed to make sure in case there was any confusion... Gracias tio!

Elie: My picado alone (no need for matches) sometimes lights the guitar on fire. I keep a "taffayeh" nearby.

Ralexander: you've been watching too many Godfather movies.

Olé!



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 19:06:29)

Just tried the exercise - WICKED!!! Thank you!



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Jul. 8 2011 20:23:24)

I'm going to be alternating between this exercise, and just doing regular arpeggios and making sure the pinky MOVES ALONG with the ring finger. The coin thing is good, but it makes the brain learn to STICK the pinky to the ring finger. The NATURAL and most relaxed thing for the pinky to do is MOVE ALONG with the ring...

But it's a useful exercise - for all-finger power, etc.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 5 2011 6:37:41)

Rombsix,
As I write this, I notice your pinky is even sticking out in your avatar :)

To unlearn a habit, it is helpful to isolate the feeling of the habit.

1. as you play, intentionally stick out your pinky. exaggerate it! Make sure you know what that feels like.
2. this simple awareness may give you the ability to relax the pinky.

Sounds too easy, but it might work. Your experiment of curling the pinky is similar to this technique. You will, of course, have to drill the "right" way once you have found it, to make a new habit.



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 5 2011 9:50:01)

Thanks Miguel! WOW! It's been SO long since you last posted, huh?

I will post a new video to show how my pinky is behaving now. I've tamed it somewhat. [:D]



gaash -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 5 2011 15:16:15)

Dumb question, but why does it matter what the pinky is doing?



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 14:27:45)

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Dumb question, but why does it matter what the pinky is doing?


It tends to create tension in the hand as a whole if it is doing something very unnatural like sticking all the way out in extension when the ring finger is doing flexion movements.

Here is what my tremolo looks like now, where I've gotten the pinky to follow the ring finger. Still trying to gain better control, but it's somewhat better now...



Anyone heard this granaina tremolo before? I think I've composed it, but I really can't trust myself now anymore. I tend to steal subconsciously too often these days...



gaash -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 18:42:19)

Interesting. I never really think about my pinky when I'm not using it as I figure my body will naturally learn to do with it what aids the parts I'm focused on.



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 18:48:11)

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Interesting. I never really think about my pinky when I'm not using it as I figure my body will naturally learn to do with it what aids the parts I'm focused on.


I guess so... I was incorrectly taught though that I should ALWAYS stick it out, even if unnaturally. My teacher should NOT have taught me this, but that's what happened. And now I'm trying to unlearn this...



gaash -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 20:06:52)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

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Interesting. I never really think about my pinky when I'm not using it as I figure my body will naturally learn to do with it what aids the parts I'm focused on.


I guess so... I was incorrectly taught though that I should ALWAYS stick it out, even if unnaturally. My teacher should NOT have taught me this, but that's what happened. And now I'm trying to unlearn this...


Ah. That explains it.



gaash -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 23:28:47)

by the way what do camera/etc. do you use to record? I tried recording something on my laptops webcam and needless to say the outcome was worthless...



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 19 2011 23:56:27)

I use a Logitech C910 webcam. It provides 720p at 24 fps which is MORE than enough in my opinion to get decent quality videos. It only costs $75 in the USA. Also, if you know how to set this camera's built-in microphone, you can use the camera to record both your audio and your video simultaneously and easily, and the audio will be very very very acceptable to say the LEAST (check out xirdneh_imiJ and the videos he posted of Moraito buleria material in the Falseta Swap Shop), and the video will be great obviously. The videos by xirdneh_imiJ were recorded purely using the C910 using its built in microphone. If you like the videos and the audio in them, buy yourself a C910. I will tell you how to tweak the settings to get it to produce the best quality audio and video.

For audio, I use a CAD u37 USB microphone ($50), which provides decent audio quality (even though I could simply use the built-in microphone in the C910, but I have this USB microphone, so I use it).

Cheers!



gaash -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 20 2011 0:10:08)

Cool thanks!



Ruphus -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 20 2011 11:20:17)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

Thank you for the input, Orson.

Regarding the video: I am no expert on focal dystonia, but perhaps my medical background made me really belittle what this guy was saying. Playing guitar involves moving the fingers. The muscles involved in moving the fingers are located in the forearm. He is talking about the latissimus dorsi and the teres minor which act on the shoulder joint or humerus at best. I just wasn't able to imagine playing guitar from your shoulder joint. But what do I know...

Thanks again!



Hi Ramzi,

Could you imagine that contracting / relaxing your jaws will effect your motorbike riding abilities?
Relaxing jaws is what is being tought in German ADAC special biking courses, and I found things to quite work that way.

Thanks Orson for the link to the David Leisner video!
It appears to be the most useful practical info bit on FD ( and guitar playing in general ) that I have come accross so far.

The dorsal point under the armpit indeed affects the whole arms muscles. When I treat people with issues of overstrained flexors / extensors in the lower arm, I will also engage a receptor located where Leisner is referring to. The minute hit it will make you feel instantly how the complete arm gets released, and people habitually overstrained will additionally sense a clear tingle that goes down all the way to the fingertips.

What Leisner is saying in the video about delegating tasks to major / bigger muscles further upwards makes definite sense, and is in fact what you learn in advanced Wing Tsun.
By realizing how far up and remote in fact the steering of your fine extremities is located, dispense of superfluously engaged fine motorics will be taking place simultaneously, allowing you economizing of musclular and neural ressource.

Also noteworthy what he remarks about strained thumb pat.

This is one of the most intelligent reflections on ( for that matter ) musicians´ physiological background I have come accross so far and should be mandatory info for every guitar player; especially for beginners, to have them avoid from start what the common player is being stuck with throughout decades.

Finally, his suggestion to imagine plucking as reversed dropping.
In the same way fingers should return to idle, instead of by intentional extensor work the process should be deemed as gravital / dropping too ( just not seen reverse this time, naturally ).

( By understanding the principles behind the details in the video, you´ll also realize in the end how limiting sitting position is compared to upright and centered playing.)
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It should mean a significant favour to the community to have this video permanently linked to from the foros main page / technique section.

So useful!

Ruphus



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 20 2011 12:53:52)

Thanks for the information, Ruphus.



Ruphus -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 22 2011 16:10:04)

You are welcome, Ramzi! :O)



Elie -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 7 2012 8:46:25)

rombsix any progress or updates on your pinky man [:)] ?



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 7 2012 10:52:19)

Hey Elie - yeah, I have it much more under control now. You can notice from my more recent videos. It's still got somewhat of a tendency to stick out when I push myself to my technical limit of comfort, but when I play relaxed, it does better.

[:D][8D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 7 2012 12:58:11)

Just look to the ceiling whenever you stick out your pinky, you'll look and sound like VA. If you fill it with some soulful "wiggly wiggly" hammer/pull-offs, chicks will start losing their panties.

Beware not to play to close to the soundhole or you'll eventually forget what chicks are for.



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 8 2012 23:37:05)



Pinky update.

What my pinky does when doing all the flamenco guitar techniques in a relaxed manner (i.e. not trying to push it regarding fast tempos).



Elie -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 9:48:14)

that's really great Ramzi, Congratulation man !
you seem to control it very well.[:)] I hope you keep progressing till you get rid of the whole pinky problem at any speed.

I still have my pinky sticking out during i-m picados and recently I've been working intensively on arpeggios and Tremolos using the pinky and I think its helping but still my a-m(I mean i-a) picados faster and produce less tension

Ramzi in your opinion do you think I should quit improving i-m picados and stick to the a-m(I mean i-a)? or is it important to improve them (the i-m) in order to improve other techniques ?[:)] [any thoughts from other members?]

thank you



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 10:10:24)

Are you really meaning to say a-m picado? Or do you mean a-i picado? Because I think you would be the only one in the world favoring a-m picado... [:)]



Elie -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 10:13:13)

Opps my fault! [:D] you're right I mean i-a



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 10:48:01)

I personally think you should stick to the picado technique that feels more natural to you. Juan Habichuela Nieto does a-i quite well (among many other guitarists), so I say you should stick with it. The i and m fingers are naturally stronger than the a finger, so I guess your way of doing picado with a-i is better considering it strengthens the a finger, whereas the i and m are already naturally strong and they work out with many other techniques too. So my conclusion would be to stick to a-i picado.

Cheer y Olé! [;)]



Elie -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 11:10:14)

thank you so much for the response amigo [:)] it both inspired me and made me optimistic.



rombsix -> RE: Right hand Pinky / Little finger (Aug. 9 2012 11:38:17)

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inspired me




3:01 and 6:40 [:D]

[;)]



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