beno -> RE: Who here came to flamenco via jazz/improv vs. through composed music? (Nov. 8 2010 20:41:12)
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Hi, very interesting topic!![:D] I agree with most of what been said, but maybe couldn't get this: quote:
Because most jazz players don't - and can't - play the same thing twice well, I think, the question is to improvise to what level? Joe Pass says in one of his videos that You should be able to play the exact same thing, cause unless You don't have that, the music is not coming from your heart, or from you or whatever... You don't know what's happenig, but You should! And as a jazzist you should be able to play back any tune by ear at the very first time -at least a couple of my jazz-guitarist friends say and does it. So I think, it's just the point of wiev I played rock, classical, bossa, little jazz, and flamenco of course. I often improvised a lot on rumba stuff, even before public not rehersad before. I improvised on jazz, blues as well, but sometimes I played very well, sometimes very bad. It's not consistent. Cause I sometimes I don't exactly know what was happening. I 'improvise' in flamenco just by variating different pre-learned falsetas, sometimes slight variations in rythm or notes, but not that freely. My aim would be to improvise freely over anything in compas just like Jason does, but I'm not to that level yet. I may improvise in compas by just using chords, and play compas, but not falsetas.. Anyway, the videos above show that anything can be done. Yep, and one more thing - I remember Manlo Sanlucar said in an interwiev that Paco not just composes but improvises regulary his own, prewritten stuff - I think he meant his flamenco stuff by this. Oh, and one more - when Juan Carmona was in Hungary some years ago, He said that his most common problem with playing together with jazz musicians was, that even some fine jazz player couldn't not hold/improvise in compas. So two different thing, two entirely different world, with examples to both extremes. The biggest difference is maybe that a flamenco guitarist usually have to reach a quite high level/understanding regarding technical things, compas etc to be able to improvise in authentic forms, while jazz players, even the begginners start with improvisation.
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