Ramon Amira -> RE: PdL's first teacher: Carlos Ramos? (Aug. 21 2010 2:46:29)
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Sabicas and Carlos were taking lessons from Montoya at the same time. I have never in my life heard that Sabicas took lessons from Ramon Montoya. It seems highly improbable. The way I have always heard the story from multiple sources, including directly from Mario Escudero, who was as close to Sabicas as anyone, was that Sabicas never really had a teacher, and simply started learning and playing on his own at the age of five or so. And he was performing from the age of around eight. I begin to suspect that this all may be a question of semantics. These days, when we say "lessons" or "teacher" etc., we know what we mean – a formal arrangement between teacher and student, and one that usually goes on for some period of time. Very possibly back then there would naturally have been intercourse between flamenco guitarists, and an exchange and discussion of musical ideas, and even some falsetas, or parts. Probably some discussion on various aspects of technique, all this much like goes on today among guitarists, and even right here on this forum. So if Sabicas was sitting around chatting with Ramon Montoya, and maybe Carlos Ramos was there at the same time, all of them naturally with guitars in hand, if Montoya imparted a tidbit or two, that might be described by one of them as a "lesson," thereby making Montoya the "teacher." We know that Paco met Sabicas, he could easily have also met Ramos, and maybe Ramos showed him a thing or two. It's very hard to define what Ramos might have meant by that, if in fact he did say it.
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