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kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 15:14:13)

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hahah the limbo !!!...u not as embarasing as the guy with the sunglases ???
who is not even drunk ?
lol...theres no reason for your fingers to ever point at anything or anyone when dancing ...so whats up with his hands ?
hes not one of those dancers that constantly points at people when dancing is he ?


Hahaha,
he's a great polish guy. I used to dj with him every weekend...this photo is about 6 or 7 years ago....he always dressed funny, but 2 years later it always seemed to become fashionable...at least overhere

I think he was actually visiualizing the limbo-stick with his fingers [:D]



minordjango -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 15:21:26)

haha leave the flute to james gallaway ! go get them with a rhumba , then the seductions starts with a tremlo !! (well thats what i read[:o][:o]

im just thinking about my statement get the woman with the Guitar !!

hold on when i get to spain every 1 year old baby will; play better than me ![8|][8|]
[8|]
but can they play Japanese flute ??[:)]

failing that ill just speak crud , successs



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 15:33:57)

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haha leave the flute to james gallaway ! go get them with a rhumba , then the seductions starts with a tremlo !! (well thats what i read

im just thinking about my statement get the woman with the Guitar !!

hold on when i get to spain every 1 year old baby will; play better than me !

but can they play Japanese flute ??

failing that ill just speak crud , successs


I've learned a lot from Sir James Gallway when I was starting flute, but got interested in Mathies Ziegler when he plays the big bass flute with a loop pedal...very experimental.

MD,
If I start seducing woman it all goes wrong, I'd rather have some fun....although the idea of playing a wonderfull granaina or rondena is very appealing.

No baby from 1 year old will be playing better, because you have been working on compas and picado this week isn't it? [:D]

If you like to borrow a shakuhachi, I've got 2 of them. The sound of bamboe is very nice and medative...



minordjango -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 15:38:35)

excellent amigo 2 thats cool what a sound hey ?

seduce those strings , im strangling them at the moment, bulerias compass, un paso un paso, but getting a few ideas , just needs playing with that metronome , and get the beats over the pulse , its gonna happen Kozz

i had a lot of fun with the irish whistle when last there, many ou can play songs in lile and hour ! pretty well



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 15:44:02)

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seduce those strings , im strangling them at the moment, bulerias compass, un paso un paso, but getting a few ideas , just needs playing with that metronome , and get the beats over the pulse , its gonna happen Kozz


Thats what I like too here amigo! Dedication in a controlled way.



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 18:59:16)

Hi Kozz!

If you are having trouble finding a rhumba that inspires you, It is a good excuse to write your own. That way you can make it as dark and dirty or light and pretty as you want.

I personally enjoy writing something for rhumba as much as something for solea or siguiriyas. I never feel that one is of greater value than the other. Just because it is in 4/4, i still get the same inspiration when i find an idea that satisfies me. I then play it over and over again like i do with any other falseta that i like. Don't let the 4/4 is easy mentality deceive you. There are heaps of untouched ideas for rhumba IMO.

I am sure there is a rhumba for you as well. Don't bother with the ones that don't inspire you. I have recorded a few rhumbas and although i have recorded extra guitar parts. They were all solo rhumbas to begin with and i play them as solos so you don't need extra guitars.



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 22 2010 22:40:39)

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Hi Kozz!

If you are having trouble finding a rhumba that inspires you, It is a good excuse to write your own. That way you can make it as dark and dirty or light and pretty as you want.


Hi KMMI, funny you mention it...I dreamed about it last night. It was a droning type of rumba...if remember well, Ricardo made a comparision like with Billy Jean from MJ....

It opens up a lot more freedom indeed tryiing to compose myselves...I'll see what I can make of it.....it'll be a fakumba™ [8|]

thanks



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 0:23:40)

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I dreamed about it last night. It was a droning type of rumba...


I was talking to friend of mine about music in dreams. I have had a few occasions where i have dreamt of a piece of music being played on guitar. When i wake up i can never really remember it but i do know that there was something about it that was completely different and cool.

I wish i could put my finger on it so i could work it out.[:D]



russelldinho -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 4:28:32)

ha! that happens to me all the time... i have to grab my phone and sing the idea i was dreaming into it before i forget. My girlfriend thinks i'm crazy [8|]



rombsix -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 5:30:00)

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the master of rumba's overhere, our well beloved Ramzi indeed.


Awwww! I never knew I was such a vital member of the Foro! [8D][:D]

Kozz: you can always check out my YouTube channel for various strumming patterns. I also have a couple of rumbas there being performed solo, or as duets or trios. If you have any particular questions, please let me know, and I'll do my best to answer.

Ole! [;)]



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kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 7:44:17)

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Kozz: you can always check out my YouTube channel for various strumming patterns. I also have a couple of rumbas there being performed solo, or as duets or trios. If you have any particular questions, please let me know, and I'll do my best to answer.


Thanks Ramzi,
I'll start with some strokes and a easy cadance, and than'll come back later.

Or maybe you can record a "dark" rumba as example...its only 2 minutes work for you [:D]

There must be something good about...so I just need to find out.




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I love this rumba by maestro Chicuelo:


That's a nice one Shroomy, where's it from?



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 12:24:20)

This is my latest Rhumba, lots of guitars. A bit of an experiment. I wrote it as a solo to begin with, lol. Anyway it is kind of different

http://www.youtube.com/user/KMMI77#p/u/4/Knr1bBkdyPc



Florian -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 12:27:10)

i like it...nice one mate [;)]



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 18:56:42)

Cheers Florian!

I was unsure if i was happy with it to start but after going away and coming back to it i was. It took so much work to get everything into the right space that i will never play that tune again. lol



Florian -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 19:16:55)

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It took so much work to get everything into the right space that i will never play that tune again. lol


hahah i have done that before ..



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 23 2010 21:05:30)

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This is my latest Rhumba, lots of guitars. A bit of an experiment. I wrote it as a solo to begin with, lol. Anyway it is kind of different

http://www.youtube.com/user/KMMI77#p/u/4/Knr1bBkdyPc


Hee KMMI,
I just woke up and wanted to listen but I am having some audioproblems atm, and dont feel like fixing because I've only got 1 coffee yet.
I'll listen later on when I am at work...

cheers



Stoney -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 5:05:18)

What I don't get about guys who absolutely dominate the instrument playing things like Bulerias and Tangos etc. is why they would stoop to playing Rumbas in the style of gipsy kings. There are plenty of rumbas out there that are more a solo piece and can be challenging and fun to play.

Off the top of my head, Herencia Latina, La Lola, Rumbeando la Milonga - all by Paco Pena - La Feria by Juan Martin - (Sorry, broke the JM PP rule again) I think Paco de Lucia has one called Rumba Improvisada. Like these or not, they are good benchmark pieces which show how arpegiated chords can be used to create the Rumba rythmn.

As far as a darker or deeper Rumba, I can't get enough of "Tres Notas para decir Te Quiero" by Vicente Amigo. Awesome. (still on the happy side but amazing nonetheless)

The solo Rumba style of Juan Serrano from "La Tempestad" is one that I would avoid. (a little strumming and a fill, a little strumming and a fill, a little strumming and a fill, ad nauseum)

So overall I'd agree with the poster who suggested that you wrtie your own.

As controversial a figure as he is, the Professor Diaz (who is completely dominating youtube btw) has a great vid on the arpegios for rumbas in the style of Paco de Lucia. That could be the basis of a great original.

Stoney



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 7:27:29)

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This is my latest Rhumba, lots of guitars. A bit of an experiment. I wrote it as a solo to begin with, lol. Anyway it is kind of different

http://www.youtube.com/user/KMMI77#p/u/4/Knr1bBkdyPc


Great KMMI,
I like it...it kinda reminds me how kora players play.
Very moody uplifting vibe in it.

How many guitars (guitar parts?) did you use?



Arash -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 8:32:47)

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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

This is my latest Rhumba, lots of guitars. A bit of an experiment. I wrote it as a solo to begin with, lol. Anyway it is kind of different

http://www.youtube.com/user/KMMI77#p/u/4/Knr1bBkdyPc


i really liked this rumba.
well done.
good recording too.



Estevan -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 9:55:41)

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This is my latest Rhumba, lots of guitars.

Nice stuff Kris! The lots of guitars work really well here, still bright and airy without being cluttered or crowded.
Felt like I was driving to the beach. (we're expecting more snow here...)



rombsix -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 11:34:39)

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Or maybe you can record a "dark" rumba as example...its only 2 minutes work for you




I like this rumba...



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 11:45:18)

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How many guitars (guitar parts?) did you use?


I'll go into pro tools and when i get home from work and give a better reply. work![:@]



Ricardo -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 14:00:41)

If you like singing, try Parrita, most flamencos like his rumbas a lot. Mainly they are canciones (songs) not cante, but he has a very powerful flamenco feeling and voice.

Ricardo



Ricardo -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 14:02:55)

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What I don't get about guys who absolutely dominate the instrument playing things like Bulerias and Tangos etc. is why they would stoop to playing Rumbas in the style of gipsy kings. There are plenty of rumbas out there that are more a solo piece and can be challenging and fun to play.


Well, it is really fun. But honestly just to strum properly takes a lot of work. Took me many years to even get "accepted" as a rhythm guitarist amongst those types of gitanos, and I am sure there are some who think I am still not so great. Lead guitar is something else, and they usually respect flamenco guitarists a lot. But if you were into the singing, again that is the main reason for playing that music, those songs are fun to sing in a group.

This is me with canut and andre reyes of the Gipsy Kings a couple years ago. They picked me to back em up with lead guitar over some local pro rumberos, I think because they knew I was more of a flamenco player.


Ricardo





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Estevan -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 14:28:32)

Nice foto, Ricardo - you don't seem to be stooping at all! [;)]



rombsix -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 16:41:15)

Or you can create the rumbas of your favorite tunes:



Ole!



KMMI77 -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 18:56:18)

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How many guitars (guitar parts?) did you use?


Thanks Arash Kozz and Estavan! Thanks for having a listen to it.

There number of parts ranges from 3 to 12, Pretty over the top.[:D] I started out recording it as a solo. Then i added another part. Then i started to hear more ideas and i thought, I am just going to keep going and see what it sounds like. I tried to be careful to give it enough space and separation to allow all the parts to be heard and maintain the feeling of the song. I allowed myself to feel free and just see what happens without trying to be flamenco or gypsy style. Not sure what i would classify the end result as.

I normally get annoyed with people who record music that they can't reproduce live on there CD's but i guess i fit into that category now. I mean, i could reproduce it live with enough guitarists but it's unlikely people would be willing to pay for such a gig. lol.



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 23:50:47)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Py6vVDXrw

I like this rumba...


I'd overlooked this one...nice work ramzi...I'll think I will find the tabs somewhere.



kozz -> RE: Who can help me find the interest for rumba? (Feb. 24 2010 23:54:01)

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Well, it is really fun. But honestly just to strum properly takes a lot of work. Took me many years to even get "accepted" as a rhythm guitarist amongst those types of gitanos,


Ricardo,
is that a whole other culture, and do they have the same "things" as flamenco people have? Like old-skool and nuevo....I dont want to start that discussion, but find it interesting if it is so.

I like your white golpeador!



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