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Can you be banned and simply return under a pseudonym?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2009 15:50:19

ToddK

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RE: Question (in reply to Guest)

No, they will block your IP address.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2009 16:16:28

HemeolaMan

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RE: Question (in reply to Guest)

how does that work with a floating IP

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2009 20:29:26

Francisco

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RE: Question (in reply to Guest)

I would assume that it works the opposite of a sinking IP.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2009 20:51:41

Exitao

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RE: Question (in reply to Guest)

Typically, on forums, banning people can be difficult, unless the person has a static IP. Static IPs are rare, they usually cost more, because a static IP allows you to host things, and most ISPs don't want you gobbling up their bandwidth.

My IP is dynamic. Keeping the same IP is determined by lease time. The IP is leased for, 24/48 hours, and even if I power my modem/router off for a day, the DHCP server will recognise my MAC and give assign the same IP. However, if I go into my router, and release, and then renew my IP, I get assigned a new one.

Some ISPs have shorter leases.

My question would be how bannings occur. Are the admins starting with temp bans or will they be jumping straight to perma bans?

The only way to do ban me for good would be to ban a whole node of my ISP. And I think this would affect at least 2 other users on the foro.

Most forums are incapable of a MAC ban.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2009 21:28:47

Pimientito

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RE: Question (in reply to Exitao)

quote:

My question would be how bannings occur. Are the admins starting with temp bans or will they be jumping straight to perma bans?

Permanent bans are not done lightly by admin and there are multiple warnings before they occur. Members do not get banned for one off infractions (there would be no forum)

Admin had to delete 6 offensive posts and suffer a barrage of complaints before this came about.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 0:54:07

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RE: Question (in reply to Exitao)

surely any banned person returning under a different name would behave in 1 of a few ways.....

1. continue how they left off = Banned again
2. start out nice and reformed then revert back to type = Banned again
3. or turn over a new leaf under their new identity = No ban and valuable
new member

so either way it should work out... or maybe not..

why you thinking of getting banned sean??

EDIT: never mind sean I think I know what/who you're talking about...

I haven't visited properly for a few days and just been catching up.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 0:57:30

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RE: Question (in reply to Pimientito)

My question would be different - does it matter if they come back under a new name?

If they come back and start making trouble again they will be banned again. Some people are so distinctive in style they will be instantly recognised.

If they come back and contribute positively, no-one will mind. Everyone deserve another chance to behave better next time.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 0:58:54

Ailsa

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RE: Question (in reply to Stu)

You beat me to it Stu!! Great minds think alike. In this case ours did too.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu
why you thinking of getting banned sean??

Sean can't be banned, he's our cante guru! We need him!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 1:01:06

Stu

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RE: Question (in reply to Ailsa)

great mind think alike ailsa!

did we post this at exactly the same time??

It appears someone has been banned and has been reincarnated as "GUEST" but will the behaviour be better???

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 1:02:45

Stu

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RE: Question (in reply to Stu)

quote:

You beat me to it Stu!! Great minds think alike. In this case ours did too.

OH MY GOD

thats even freakier!!!!!

great minds or lazy ones spouting an old cliche???!!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 1:04:31

Exitao

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RE: Question (in reply to Pimientito)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pimientito

quote:

My question would be how bannings occur. Are the admins starting with temp bans or will they be jumping straight to perma bans?

Permanent bans are not done lightly by admin and there are multiple warnings before they occur. Members do not get banned for one off infractions (there would be no forum) Admin had to delete 6 offensive posts and suffer a barrage of complaints before this came about.

Well, I understand why it happened. It seems to me that most enforcement/disciplinary policies should be progressive.

Temp bans often solve problems without loss of members. Just because some people will be pleased, does not mean the forum doesn't lose out.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 1:55:28

Doitsujin

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RE: Question (in reply to Guest)

quote:

No, they will block your IP address.

Yes you can. But who want to come back after be banned? Well,.. one time ok. But not twice ..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 2:19:44

Pimientito

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RE: Question (in reply to Exitao)

I agree that it is a shame that someone with such an obvious wealth and knowledge of cante history cannot participate in a sane and civil manner on this forum. Temp bans will solve problems of temporarily heated situations but they will not solve a continuous negative behaviour pattern. Every fair chance was given and admin showed almost superhuman restaint on this one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 2:26:33

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RE: Question (in reply to Pimientito)

So I don't wanna stir things up or anything, but surely the banned member is already back posting under guest... so there's your answer sean.

I guess the question now is, can moderators ban guests should they continue to misbehave????

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 10:42:34

Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Question (in reply to Stu)

quote:

So I don't wanna stir things up or anything, but surely the banned member is already back posting under guest...

I don't think guests can post here--only members can post. If anything admin waited too long in this case.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 10:51:54

Ailsa

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RE: Question (in reply to Stu)

quote:

surely the banned member is already back posting under guest

I don't think that's how it works Stu. As Pgh says only members can post. When the person was banned all his posts became re-labelled as Guest. But he won't be able to post any more with the name he used.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 11:05:01

Ron.M

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RE: Question (in reply to Ailsa)

Ailsa,
You know me hen...
I never BAN anybody...
I might occasionally withdraw somebody's posting privileges..
But they still have access to the Forum to read stuff etc.

cheers,

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 11:27:07

Ron.M

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RE: Question (in reply to Exitao)

Yeah...excluding IP Addresses is a bit of a waste of time IMO, since most home subscriber's IP changes every week or so.

If someone resubscribes I can usually tell from the writing style etc...

I trust that more....in fact by now I could probably imitate posts from many members here.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 11:32:31

Ailsa

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RE: Question (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M
You know me hen...
I never BAN anybody...
I might occasionally withdraw somebody's posting privileges..
But they still have access to the Forum to read stuff etc.

Yeah absolutely, that's a very important distinction. No reason why everyone can't read what others have to say if they are interested.

Thanks Ron.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 12:03:22

Stu

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RE: Question (in reply to Ailsa)

quote:

I don't think that's how it works Stu. As Pgh says only members can post. When the person was banned all his posts became re-labelled as Guest. But he won't be able to post any more with the name he used.

of course, dunno what i was thinking I know guests cant post

thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 16:19:56

Exitao

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RE: Question (in reply to Stu)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu

quote:

I don't think that's how it works Stu. As Pgh says only members can post. When the person was banned all his posts became re-labelled as Guest. But he won't be able to post any more with the name he used.

of course, dunno what i was thinking I know guests cant post

thanks

It looks to me that he wasn't banned, but his account was deleted. Banning just locks an account and prevents the username from logging in. Deleting an account, might actually remove the user name and set all posts to "guest."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 24 2009 16:40:18