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koella

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buleria without golpes. How ? 
A classical player asked me to give some basic buleria without golpes.
Because he has no tap plate.

I said that is not possible.
Is it ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2008 13:35:57
 
Doitsujin

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
The golpe comes somehow automatically... I would frag any guitar without golpeador while testing...
But its possible. With good palmas or whatever... its even more easy.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2008 13:47:36
 
koella

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Could you give an example ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2008 14:03:20
 
Grisha

 

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Substitute golpe for a bass note.

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Ricardo

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
I would say not possible. You could have a falseta with no golpes, but not any true bulerias compas (meaning rhythmic strumming.).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 0:06:56
 
Pimientito

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Rather than relearning the technique, isnt it easier to spend the $6 or so on a piece of golpe plate?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 1:03:56
 
koella

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
I guess he has to choose an other palo.
Thanks for the input.

A plate is no option I guess.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 1:21:31
 
ddk

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Like Recuerdos de la Alhambra
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 12:31:38
 
xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to Ricardo) 
we had a spanish group with a hungarian dancer here last year and they had a guitarist who played for an hour without making one single golpe...his playing was quite good, he even sounded flamenco, but i really really missed the golpes and was disgusted at the guitarist for not making even a single tiny little one...it was a big disappointment...
this would be funny for an outsider :)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 12:36:57
 
koella

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to ddk) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: ddk

Like Recuerdos de la Alhambra


Yes, that's my favourite buleria too.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 12:39:33
 
Arash

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
quote:

The golpe comes somehow automatically... I would frag any guitar without golpeador while testing...
But its possible. With good palmas or whatever... its even more easy.


when i started to learn flamenco guitar, it was very difficult for me to play the Golpes together with the Notes.....now i saw this thread and tried to play a bulerias without Golpe and realized that it is quite impossible....it comes automatically and you cant hold the finger back ...... was quite interesting

BTW......koella, he can play golpe only with flesh (without nail)...if he doenst have very long nails...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 12:46:36
 
koella

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Well Arash, of course it's possible, but it sounds more like some mexican mariachi music.
All the earthyness is gone when you leave the golpes out.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 12:51:28
 
Ricardo

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to koella) 
Like I said there are TONS of falsetas available for any palo that don't use golpes. But no rhythmic strumming parts, that is the main issue I think.

Tell the classical player that John Williams has a very small tap plate on his Smallman guitar. It is a good idea to protect any classical guitar top, IMO.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2008 13:27:15
 
Pimientito

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RE: buleria without golpes. How ? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Ah you beat me to it. Both the Smallman and fleta had small golpe plates!

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