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My guitar teacher in Jerez
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Phil
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From: Rota, Spain
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 RE: My guitar teacher in Jerez (in reply to Phil)
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Can you tell something about the actual material that he teaches - rhythms vs compas vs complete compositions? Whose material does he teach - traditional Jerez or original?
Andy,
He'll teach you what you want to learn. He can teach complete compositions, but that's not the norm and is not what most people are looking for. Most people are looking for compases as they're played in Jerez, technique advice, falsetas, and in general the whole "aire de Jerez". Or what Manuel calls "llenando el saco," which means filling your sack. By that he means filling your sack with flamenco ideas and techniques that you can pull out and use when needed.
The material he teaches is a combination traditional, modern, and original. You know in Flamenco you hear a falseta, vary it a little (or a lot), play it in your own way, and voila, it's yours.  I think it was you that pointed out that a falseta I posted was an old PdL one. Well, I dug out my cassette of "la Fabulosa Guitarra..." and I found that 4 or 5 falsetas he taught me were variations of ones on particular that PdL album. He probably learned them 35 years ago when the album first came out and it's very likely he doesn't even remember exactly where they came from. On the CD he recently released his material sounds original.
If you're ever interested in coming, let me know and I'll hook you up.
Phil
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Date Jul. 26 2003 20:10:51
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Congratulations Phil, may it is time for you to start a career as a Journalist 
I remember very well this expression of "llenar el saco" but I can still see the bottom of my sack. Please make sure there is a place for me in September.
Un saludo
Melchor
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Date Jul. 28 2003 13:01:23
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RE: My guitar teacher in Jerez (in reply to Phil)
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Phil,
I enjoyed the interview with El Carbonero. About 10 years ago I met a guy who said that he had taken lessons from Rafael del Aguila in the late ‘60s. I haven’t heard that name mentioned again until your interview. Now I know why I could never find anything recorded by him.
I also found it interesting that a singer from Jerez would cut a CD with Peteneras, Columbianas, Milongas, and such. I was in Spain a couple of years ago and saw several Flamenco performances in Jerez and Sevilla and didn’t even hear a Granainas let alone a Peteneras. Where can I buy this CD? I went to Flamenco World and it’s not listed.
Could you possibly tell me how El Carbonero charges for private lessons? I’m not interested in taking group lessons. I’m thinking about going to Spain in Sept or Oct.
This looks like a nice forum. I found it via Flamenco Teacher and Flamenco Hangover. I guess I’ll have to sign up, but I’m a little worried about signing up on forums because it seems that I suddenly start to get a ton of spam every time I do.
Thanks,
Tomas
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Date Aug. 9 2003 8:13:24
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Phil
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From: Rota, Spain
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Tomas,
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I also found it interesting that a singer from Jerez would cut a CD with Peteneras, Columbianas, Milongas, and such
I was suprised too. In the interview El C mentions that the tradition in the countryside around Jerez is different than in the city proper. They go more for the Ida y Vuelta cantes; Granainas, Peteneras, etc. However, there seems to be a growing interest in the more obscure cantes today. A singer I know is going to sing on a local TV show next week and one of the cantes he's decided to sing is Marianas! And this guy is a gypsy from Jerez. The only time I've ever heard a Marianas is the one that Bernardo de los Lobitos recorded with Perico del Lunar. A few weeks ago I heard Antonio Agujetas sing a Campanilleros, which really suprised me since the Agujetas clan are know for their dedication to the real cante jondo- Siguiriyas, Solea, and Martinetes.
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Where can I buy this CD? I went to Flamenco World and it’s not listed.
It may be that the distribution is limited. If you can't find it comercially, write to me privately and I'll get you a copy.
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Could you possibly tell me how El Carbonero charges for private lessons? I’m not interested in taking group lessons.
Except for the cante accompaniment classes on Thurday nights, he doesn't give group lessons. Maybe you missed it on his web page or misunderstood the description of how he conducts his regular lessons. The set up is similar to a doctor's office. There's a waiting/practice room and behing sound proof glass is his little studio. The student is 1 on 1 with him in the studio. After he teaches you something you go out to the practice room and practice what you learned until you've got a grasp of it. Then you go back in with him. You keep this up until he says, "Let's record it." That's the signal that the lesson is over. It's a very effective and efficient method and for these lessons he charges 15 euros an hour. You will definitely get your money's worth. If you insist, he will give you completely private lessons for twice that amount. I can honestly tell you that I don't see any benefit in taking completely private lesson. I've seen 3 people come here recently who had some serious reservations about his method of teaching and they all went away very happy. I told them to try the regular classes and if they weren't happy to talk to him about private lessons. None of them did.
This is getting kind of lengthy, so write to me privately if you need some additional info. Thanks again for your comments on the interview.
Best regards,
Phil
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I'm glad you liked the interview. I don't know about being a journalist. I was a hell of a lot more nervous doing the interview than he was being interviewed. 
There's some kind of an error in the link to El Carbonero's web site that's posted in the interview. It was supposed to have been fixed this weekend, but I just checked and it still doesn't work. This link works: 
El Carbonero's a real character and a great teacher. 
