Holy moly..Paco Pena...

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Wannabee

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Holy moly..Paco Pena...

I wish I had seen/or heard this before.

Erm ..... does anyone know if this is available in a book. I know it's not in his
toques book.

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duende

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

oh yeah! Never seen this b/w footage. He´s a real master

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Matic

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Exciting! Thanks for the link.
Don't know about the book though.

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srshea

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

He really does just get everything right, doesn’t he? Always great. Plus, he looks like Dario Argento in that profile shot at the beginning.

The alegrias from the same show is good too.

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koella

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Yes very nice and earthy. He plays very raw I like that. A totally different paco pena then the one from later on when everything is much smoother and elegant.

Does anyone know what guitar he used to play back then. It's obviously not a gerundino because it has an other headstock.
And am I right that he has a very low action here ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2008 13:34:26

kovachian

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Loved that! I much prefer that to the other Paco.

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srshea

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to koella)

quote:

Am I right that he has a very low action here ?

I had that same thought. It looks like the strings are practically lying on the fretboard, and he's got a real "rattling" sound. Coincidentally, I shaved down a new saddle and got my action super low this morning....

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koella

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Yes quite a coincidence.

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Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Paco Pena is great--check out his Alzapua in this short clip.

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Wannabee

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Pgh_flamenco)

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Paco Pena is great--check out his Alzapua in this short clip.

Yes, this clip is taken from his fandango de huelva performance. That's another fantastic bit of playing and another piece of his that I wish I could find a decent transcription for. I'm not much good with tabs, I need some rhythmic indications or I just get lost.

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Ricardo

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to koella)

ooops.

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Ricardo

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to koella)

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ORIGINAL: koella

Yes very nice and earthy. He plays very raw I like that. A totally different paco pena then the one from later on when everything is much smoother and elegant.

Does anyone know what guitar he used to play back then. It's obviously not a gerundino because it has an other headstock.
And am I right that he has a very low action here ?

Good stuff, interps of N. Ricardo and Sabicas of course, but that buleria had a couple of tricks from PDL's bag. Funny how so many folks need to make a point to say they like Peña better than PDL.

About the guitar, my guess is Domingo esteso, I have seen that rosette before. The headstock is not so clear, looks similar to Fleta.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 24 2008 7:42:00

koella

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Wannabee)

Thanks Ricardo.
You can see the headstock here at 1:06

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 24 2008 9:24:17

mark indigo

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RE: Holy moly..Paco Pena... (in reply to Ricardo)

yeah, great stuff

Some of these falsetas are on the track "Palmas y Guitarras" which is on the cd "Fabulous Flamenco" and that track and a bunch of others from that cd are on Alain Faucher's catalogue on his Affedis website. They are in tab, but with rhythmic time values like you get with dots. Individual tabs are quite expensive, but 2 are cheaper, and 3 cheaper still, and if you buy 3 you get one free as well.

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interps of N. Ricardo and Sabicas of course, but that buleria had a couple of tricks from PDL's bag. Funny how so many folks need to make a point to say they like Peña better than PDL

IMO, although this is a long way from what PDL has been doing in the 80's, 90's and noughties, this is not so far from PDL's playing in the early 70's, when i assume this clip is from.

Not only that, but despite the fact that Paco Peña's early albums were mostly "trad" versions of Sabicas and Niño Ricardo, his album from the 80's that I think was called Azahara had what are to my ears many ideas borrowed from PDL's playing from the early to mid 70's

ok, i'm gonna change that, and say instead "some" ideas borrowed from PDL. The point is not that he has "abandoned tradition" in favour of some kind of cheap commercialism borrowed wholesale from PDL (which is the suggestion made elsewhere on the net, that PP has gone "nuevo" - in the end temptation got the better of me and i had to go look) but that he has taken some ideas, which presumable he took because he liked them (perish the thought) and wove them (very skillfully IMO) into his interpretation of his own compositions and "traditional" material (which was all composed by someoney, somewhen) almost seamlessly.... which is how traditions evolve.... and if what PDL was doing in 1972 is still considered "nuevo".... oh never mind....

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