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RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
My two pennies worth:
I wish I had come across the soniquete approach about 10 years ago! Of course the analytic approach is quite wide-spread, and was even given the Gonzalez Climent prize in Spain, back in 1985 (i.e. Ph. Donnier, El duende tiene que ser matematico - Reflexiones sobre el estudio analÃtico de las BulerÃas).
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to gato)
ok this has been bugging me for some time, listening to a book i got understanding flamenco, by faustino he says all accents can be broken into binary and tercery accents so in solea
which is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
it can be broken into 2 sets of 3 beats with an accent on the 3rd beat ie 1 2 3 1 2 3
and the rest of the phrase is binary with 3 sets of 2 beats with an accent on the second beat
1 2 1 2 1 2
now with buleria the understandign is that the cycle starts on 12 and the same accents apply ie 12 3 6 8 10
so you simpy have the same set up but the accent is on a different part of the three beats so buleria
12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
so the accent starts the on the first beat of the compas cycle of for the tercery and binary beats ie
I uploaded a part of a great buleria to play along with, the actual track is 32 mins. and is GREAT for playing along - that's MoraÃto playing, basic strumming! Now listen to the half compás at 1:42, this is where the whole 12 count thing falls flat. In the beginning it helps to think in sixes, but eventually you start feeling it without counting.
This could be a bit too difficult if you're not relatively secure playing in compás. I admit I haven't been at it long, but just playing along with this has done me a lot more good than thinking in numbers. I cut it into 5 parts and at first had some difficulties but by the time I was done with the second part I could go to the full version and just play along.
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RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to John O.)
he john is this from a cd by morao? i bought the dvd and book last week and am waiting for the post to arrive, it was kinda a self birthday present y'know. hopefully when im in jerez again this summer im going to ask el carbonero just to show me strumming patterns por buleria.
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to henrym3483)
Hi henrym3483,
That's fine, but a little complicated like Anders, John and others have been saying. I'd add that it's a little more like guajiras than bulerÃa, too.
For bulerÃa, mark a very fast soleá while tapping your foot on the even-numbered beats: 12-2-4, 6-8-10.
I imagine there's already been lots said on this forum about whether bulerÃas start on 12 or on 1, but I think the difference between bulerÃas and guajiras is the 1-2-3 count taken from soleá (whether or not it's obvious at a given moment), and guajiras (and that OTHER cante ) start on 12.
Hope that makes sense. I'm laid up at home with the flu, and I've just listened to a bunch of Pepe Marchena. What with the high fever and all, it gets a bit surreal. Sounds like the music my girlfriend's Yorkshire terriers would listen to.
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to duende121)
Hi Martin,
Glad you liked it! Like I said, I'd been puzzling over it for years, and it took a couple of patient explanations from others before it finally clicked, so it's a pleasure to share that with anyone else. Few different ways of fingering that kind of rasgueado, too.
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RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to NormanKliman)
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ORIGINAL: NormanKliman
I imagine there's already been lots said on this forum about whether bulerÃas start on 12 or on 1, but I think the difference between bulerÃas and guajiras is the 1-2-3 count taken from soleá (whether or not it's obvious at a given moment), and guajiras (and that OTHER cante ) start on 12.
An easy generalization to differentiate Guajiras from Bulerias, or Alegrias or bulerias de Cadiz for example, guitar wise, is the harmony changes in Guajiras on 12 and 6, where as bulerias/alegrias etc the harmony changes on 3 and or 10. (That is if we impose the 12 count to all forms mentioned). That simple difference really means a lot to the feel of the rhythm for some reason.
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
thank you anders
very interresting post thanx ! i'm trying to play my first bulerias by counting the rythm while playing the falseta and using easy compas... but it is nearly impossible to learn it only with brain, you really have to feel it (sorry for the lousy english, i'm french...)
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to John O.)
thank you john
this is a very good idea, did you mean that I should work on with the material I work on usually (Graf Martinez, Juan Martin, Pepe Habichuela) and count this in only in 2 beat and then only in 3 beats? or only with easy-compas? or were you thinking about a special didactic manual or exercise?
RE: Learning basic Bulerias in a PeÃ... (in reply to michel)
I would say as a beginner learn the easiest, easiest falsetas, simple melodies - these are the ideas and the foundation that you'll find in all falsetas. Graf Martinez and Juan Martin are good, I don't know the level of the Pepe Habichuela material, but if it's basic enough it will be good. Also play only compás with strumming the way I described.
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