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Help with picado (Grisha?)
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ToddK
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RE: Help with picado (Grisha?) (in reply to John O.)
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Im surprised Grisha hasnt checked in on this. I would like to hear you play the run John. I think its almost more important how it sounds. If there isnt enough staccato, it will never really sound right, even up to tempo. Regarding speed, and aside from purely physical advice, since my technique doesnt apply to you. I can tell you something that might be helpful mentally. I used to tend to group notes in 4 and 3's, IE= in my head as i play a long run, i was accenting every 4 notes (or 3 depending) I believe it was Grisha who spoke about grouping in 7's for speed burst practice. Shortly thereafter, i began half'ing the metronome so im playing 32'nds, and now thinking in 8 note groups. I switch back and forth between 16'ths and 32nds. i dont know the physiological voodoo of why this helps, but it definately does. You may already be doing this sort of thing, i dont know, i just figured i'd throw it out there. I love that Farruca!! Someday i will upload it.
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Date Jan. 9 2008 6:14:25
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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: Help with picado (Grisha?) (in reply to ToddK)
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I would like to hear you play the run John. I think its almost more important how it sounds. If there isnt enough staccato, it will never really sound right, even up to tempo. Regarding speed, and aside from purely physical advice, since my technique doesnt apply to you. I can tell you something that might be helpful mentally. I used to tend to group notes in 4 and 3's, IE= in my head as i play a long run, i was accenting every 4 notes (or 3 depending) I believe it was Grisha who spoke about grouping in 7's for speed burst practice. Shortly thereafter, i began half'ing the metronome so im playing 32'nds, and now thinking in 8 note groups. I switch back and forth between 16'ths and 32nds. i dont know the physiological voodoo of why this helps, but it definately does. You may already be doing this sort of thing, i dont know, i just figured i'd throw it out there. I love that Farruca!! Someday i will upload it. Thanks for the advice Todd I'll try the different settings on the metronome like you said, up to now I've only been thinking in 4's. Yeah, even if I could get that picado up to the same speed as Sabicas it would probably be the only thing I could play since I'll have been doing nothing else for weeks and like you said even then it could not sound right. Sabicas doesn't play it clean on the recording, but it still has that staccato sound you're talking about so it doesn't bother at all. I've never actively listened to my picado to be honest, I've always kept away from it if necessary because I always associate it with pain Time to get going on it, I guess... I'll upload it tonight, let me know what you think!
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Date Jan. 9 2008 18:55:00
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mark indigo
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RE: Help with picado (Grisha?) (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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I didn't claim it was easy mark. I find it slightly less frustrating than spending several years repeating the same mistakes. I do however realise that for a guitarist this is a novel attitude. Maybe I should play it real sloppy at sixty and then eighty and then stop using the metronome playing it as fast as I can and making loads of mistakes ? NAHH ! one BPM of genuine progress sounds much more attractive, call me weird. well, hey, thanks for the brief "sorry" and the "civil answer" in the second post, but based on the first one quoted above i wouldn't call you weird, just rude. how about not bothering with the puffed up egotistical prima donna reply post in the first place? i was only asking how exactly you practised your exercise, and humorously self-deprecating my own patience.... if you can repeat an exercise from 60 to 140 bpm 1bpm at a time, you have more patience than me, and i am suitably impressed, i've spent years practising scales, exercises and falseta's etc., with metronomes, putting them up 5 or 10 at a time on digital ones, 1 or 2 notches on mechanical ones, and slowing down again immediately the playing starts to go out of time or sloppy or not keep up with the beat.... i have practised a similar exercise without the finger repetition, bbe bbe bbg bbg played imi mim imi mim, so was curious about the similarity and difference.
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