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larone

 

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Recording other peoples music???? 
Just a question about recording. I'd like to put out a cd next year of myself playing flamenco. some songs are original but some are the more tradtional songs which are made up of other players falsetas. is this a problem? i'll be mentioning the players whos music i have used but i want to know if i can get into trouble by doing this.
any help is great.
thanks

larone

ps: im only playing falsetas, not full songs. its like a mix n match type of recording.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2007 19:17:56
 
Kate

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to larone) 
Hi Larone

It all depends if the songs are considered traditional/popular in which case they are in the public domain and you need do nothing. If they are artists copyrighted compositions then you can still do a cover version but you have to ask permission from the publisher and pay royalties. In the UK you'd apply to PRS, in Spain SGAE, depends where you are.

Hope this helps

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2007 20:33:28
 
Florian

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to Kate) 
what if you play it differently ? same melody, different notes ? mibe in a different key.

or what if you copy a guitarist who copied a traditional one ?

or play the same thing only add a few different notes here and there changing parts of the melody making it just a touch different ?

or play exactly the same melody but change the timing ?

is rithm copyrighted or only falsetas ?

what about in a demo cd that is not beeing sold , do any of the copyright rules apply ?

so many questions its always very confusing with flamenco.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 2:09:09
 
Kate

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to Florian) 
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ORIGINAL: Florian
so many questions its always very confusing with flamenco.


No more so than with any other music.

In cases of changing arrangements, etc its a question of degree. Classic example George Harrison with My Sweet Lord, which was just a tad to close to " He's so fine" where he was accused and found guilty of plagarising the melody. So melody appears to be an integral factor.

As far as I know rythmns and falsetas are not copyrighted except within context of a specific song/recording. When an artists copyrights their material with SGAE in Spain they have to register the score/arrangment, ie publishing, and then the actual recording, ie mechanical rights. If you were to record and release an exact copy of another artist's arangement of a traditional tune you may find you are infringing a copyrighted arrangement.

I think if you make a personal demo recording it is no-one's business, however the moment you sell or broadcast publicly, on youtube for example, maybe even on this forum, it would be copyright infringement. Somehow I doubt an artist would be concerned about a student copying, recording and uploading an audio of their playing onto this forum, however a publisher may not be so lenient. Artists dont always control their publishing.

The best thing anyone wanting to recrd a cover version can do is talk with the specific publishers, and join and consult PRS or whatever relevent agency for your region.

If you are actually clever enough to rearrange a track to avoid paying the original composer and potential litigation I would suggest your energies could be better spent composing something yourself

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 3:47:57
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to larone) 
In any situation it is best to just record it, then ask for permission before you release it

a publisher isnt likely to give you rights to a hypothetical use of a song lol.

so have everything ready to go, and then do the legal stuff. you may want to have someone who speaks spanish on hand

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 4:30:22
 
Florian

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to Kate) 
lol cant talk got so much work to do i got 64 letters to writte to 64 producers from Spain who all recive 1 cent in royalties each

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 8:38:48
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to Florian) 
actually 5.7 cents per minute, per play. with a minimum of 7 cents lol

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 9:02:29
 
Kate

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to Florian) 
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ORIGINAL: Florian

lol cant talk got so much work to do i got 64 letters to writte to 64 producers from Spain who all recive 1 cent in royalties each


That sounds like a waste of time, why on earth would you write to the producers, copyright is owned by either the artists or a designated publisher, which may also be the record company but almost never the producer.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2007 21:04:52
 
musicmaker

 

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RE: Recording other peoples music???? (in reply to larone) 
There is an old saying...The devil is in the details! Iplay music from all over the world and have found the people from the different parts of the world are truly appreciative of anyone endeavoring to play the people's music. If however, you are trying to capitalize on others music you may run into problems. If you are making a cd with music you respect and admire and only want to share it with friends etc... shouldn't be a problem.

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