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andresito
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From: New Holland
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RE: Carlos Montoya (in reply to Ricardo)
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"En este stilus, gitano, Manitas de Plata es sin igual. Pero sin duda que Montoya es un maestro!" I think most of us would also agree that there was no equal to Manitas de Plata, let alone in the 'gitano stylus' Or that it was uncle Ramon who is the real master. But as Carlos Montoya said - "I do not play the way I do to please the public, though it certainly does, on five continents so far, and no other flamenco guitarist will ever fill the Houston Astrodome as I have. No, I play the way I do because to me, that is exactly the way the flamenco guitar should sound. It seems strange to me that the unknowing public should agree, while the real flamenco aficionados clearly do not...but that's the case." Hmmm.. maybe there's more to that comment about JM than first seems...
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Date Oct. 22 2007 12:15:45
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a_arnold
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RE: Carlos Montoya (in reply to koella)
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CM has to get some credit for popularizing flamenco in the US in the 60's and 70's; back then, you couldn't bring up the subject without someone telling you how wonderful he was. Likewise Jose Greco. I guess he helped get me interested in flamenco, but as soon as I bought recordings of Sabicas, N. Ricardo, etc, I quickly decided there were better guitarists out there, even if they were less popular than CM. I felt like he was too sloppy with technique and too casual with compas. His uncle, Ramon Montoya, didn't think much of him, according to my teacher (who was also a student of Ramon Montoya). You're right, though, Ricardo. He tuned his guitar down and then put on a capo to make it easier/faster to play, despite the negative effect on the sound. Not a decision that adds to my respect for him as a musician. The left hand needs less strength to fret the strings quickly and the right hand can easily overpower the strings and make him sound stronger than he is. Sabicas, on the other hand, achieved a clean, strong sound, and did it honestly.
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Date Nov. 9 2007 23:01:39
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Carlos Montoya (in reply to etta)
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Carlos Montoya is criticized for not keeping compas and for using too much ligado and tremolo. As a teenager, I was hooked on his albums, and I saw him perform several times in the '60s, '70s, and '80s. Montoya introduced me to flamenco, as he did so many others at that time, before I knew a thing about it. He instilled in me a life-long love of the genre. Later, as I gained more knowledge of flamenco, I understood some of the criticism, but I still don't completely agree with all of it. In his early years he did accompany dancers and cantaors. And when he wanted, he could play in compas. That he did not always do so does not alter the fact that he could play very well indeed when he wanted to. As mentioned above, I agree that he could be sloppy (although I still like his ligados and tremolos), and that Sabicas, Nino Ricardo, and others were better overall. Nevertheless, I do not think that montoya was as bad as many make him out to be. Of course, he was a showman, and a very successful one at that. And therein, I think, lies the source of much of the resentment against him. Cheers, Bill
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Date Dec. 7 2010 17:31:36
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Carlos Montoya (in reply to Ricardo)
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I have a this very very old Carlos Montoya booklet that came from a second hand shop many years ago called Flamenco Fire and it looks like this...... Album is HMV CLP.1177 and has Bolera Corralers Tientas Gitanos Temas en Farruga Chufla Melodias de Jerez Buleria Ecos de sierra Nevada Compas Flamenco Anyway I did find what I think is the album once online and downloaded some tracks but the transcription is so bad ,,, its like not worth having .... Plus it seems to me like it was transcribed by maybe a piano player as many of the tunes are written in strange keys ...because of the Capo effect .. for example Tientas gitanos is written in Ab but he might have played it with the capo on the 4th . for example, I'm sure he didnt do it in such a strange key with no capo .... Anyway , I did learn a sevillanas from it once , ... I was thinking one day of putting it into a midi programe and thereby being able to transpose it at the flick of a switch ,,,, anyway I have the tracks and the very bad booklet ... I could scan some if you wanted
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