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What is the name of this chord?
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guitarbuddha
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 RE: What is the name of this chord? (in reply to Guest)
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A really good description of how chords should be described for clarity and brevity is Conrad Cork's 'Harmony With Lego Bricks'. He recommends using the minimum of symbols needed to give the informed reader all of the information about how the chord functions within the cadence in which it is found. I cannot reccomend this book strongly enough for anyone who wants to use a consistant and clear nomenclature themselves. It would certainly be a good thing if flamencos were able to communicate efficiently with musicians from other genres.
In general the choice of extension can safely be left to the player when the chart is clear. If the composer wants to indicate exact inversion and spelling then the clearest vehicle is notation.
Chordal analysis can also clutter the basic harmony with a lot of spelling but this will not help ease of reading if included in a chart.
When playing it is good for the player to be aware of all possible extensions and colour tones so yes it IS good to know all of their names in full and a few places on the neck to find them. It is also really good to be thinking SIMPLY when playing because you only need to know your place in the basic harmony at a given time and your note choice can be upon based on that.
For the andalucian cadence in E I like to think
A- ( but I can play Am triad, Am7, Am9, Am 13-yes with an F# and with or without a seventh or ninth- C6,Am11,A6/9(yes with anF#) Amb6,Am7b6) Asus etc.) The symbol A- lets me know all of this at a glance and I can choose as I see fit and depending on the voice leading I find under my fingers or with available open strings )
So basically I am agreeing with both Romerito and Estevan on a lot of points you DO need to know the full name of a chord and how it will sound in context but you also need to know that basically it is just (in my example) Am-.
G7 Tells me that I can play ( G triad, Gsus, G7b5,G9,G13,G7+9 and G7b9 (both colourful and a little too bluesy for flamenco but if prepared well effective) Bm, Bm7, Bm9(if I want the C# I can have it if I know what I am doing and the rest of the harmony is not trad ) etc etc.
Next FMAJ ( or F triad, FMaj7,FMaj13,F6(Dm),Fmaj9,FMaj7aug11,Dm9,Amb6,F7b5(lovely)B7,B7b5,Bhalfdim(theta symbol is better but isn't on my keyboard)
For Ealt (E7,E7b9,diminished triads or thirds on F,G#and B,E7aug9,Bb7 or Bb7b5 ( this tritone substitute is great for building momentum back to A-)etc,etc
These lists are by no means exhaustive but I prefer to think A-,G7,Fmaj,Ealt.
It is easy to know all of this at a glance when an effective and consistant nomenclature is used (ie A-,G7,Fmaj,Ealt).and again I strongly recomment Conrad Corks harmony with Lego Bricks as a guide in this, some knowledge of flamenco is of course nessecary for anyone trying to realise a chart or improvise along with a flamenco.
Well there you go more fuel for the reductionists.  , (yes I do go on a bit)
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Date Jul. 17 2007 0:17:43
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guitarbuddha
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RE: What is the name of this chord? (in reply to Francisco)
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ORIGINAL: samwise
half of the compas examples start on beat 1, and only have what looks like 2 beats on the first measure. The other half of the compas examples start on beat 12.
Well Samwise here is my controversial answer, some of the time bulerias starts on twelve and some of the time (and most of the time in solea por buleria ) it starts on one and has the same compas as alegrias but fast. So look at alegreas as often being 2/4 , 3/4 , 4/4 , 3/4, (starting on one) and buleria as often being 3/4 , 3/4, 4/4, 2/4 starting on twelve. Well if you take want to move between the two then the last bar in buleria has to have three counts like alegrias and then the first bar will have only two since one was given away. I also notice that in remates por Alegrias the buleria compas I described above is often borrowed for some compas.
Many people here disagree with this way of looking at compas and I am really not sure why, it works for me and matches up well with what my ears tell me when I listen.
D.
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Date Jul. 17 2007 11:58:23
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gato
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RE: What is the name of this chord? (in reply to Francisco)
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Naming chords can be sometimes quite difficult, and be a matter of checking the sound of the chord, against the actual notes, and thus we can argue about the matter and sometimes never agree, and, sometimes chords can be transitional, and what you do with them solves the riddle. But, after thinking about this particular chord knowing nothing about the piece intended or not intended, I would have to say for my ear, the third and the b seventh are in tense opposition (without presence of a fifth), the third being natural, and the seventh, minor, so the root and the octave sound dominant, together, and the thirteenth is what embelishes the chord and I would name it Gdom13th. The tenth is with the third. This is a very beautiful chord and that effect of the opposition gives the chord it's distinct sound, unlike many chords.
Of course that is what I hear, and I may be wrong, but you really have to go by your instincts and remember that it's what you play that matters, by sound and effect, not classification. Hope 'I wrote this out correctly, oh well.....
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I just had a great experience discovering that book and want to share it (it is not aimed at guitarists in particular by the way so not for everybody here by any means). 
