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Bogdan1980
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Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD
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So is anyone registered on Delcamp? Man I got into some heated argument there. I think they are sort of brainwashed bunch. First of all they have a list of rules that's longer than US constitution. You can't make references to amazon, or other websites, you have spell out emails, uploading something like an attachment you have to have a permission for that, and God forbid you talk about one topic in an inapprorpiate section. Moderators are all over you. And the worst, they are all stuck up on copyright, which is fine with me, but I don't get things like copyrighting youtube video. It's not like I can own it, I watch it once. Granted you can now copy them with some rogue software but that's not something I want to do, it's not like I can put it on DVD and sell it. The webmaster wrote this whole piece about how you can make links to these videos but not those videous, sick. And then there are composers like Piazzolla who died 20 years ago, and they are still under copyright. That's sick, Piazzolla is dead and I don't see why his children need to profit from his sheet music. Someone asked for Milonga Del Angel scores and the moderators were like: well it's not public domain you should buy it. It's two pages long! And I have it and I'll give it away for free because there are some people in music schools that can't afford $30 a piece. Plus it's for educational purposes. Ultimately this is my opinion and I stand by it, and all those guys where like: well these are our rules go somewhere else, It's like Orwell's 1984.
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Date Jun. 12 2007 14:29:01
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Hogwash. You don't get to set the price of something you didn't create. Do you go into a gas station and tell them since the oil compnay is already rich you are only willing to pay .35 a gallon or you'll steal it? A CD costs a buck and change to replicate, but your not thinking about recording costs, distribution, promotion, etc. Barnes and Noble has to pay rent, etc, and they don't get the CD's for 1.00-They pay 8-9 dollars for popular cd's and at least five dollars for indie cd's. I'm no saint-I've got burned CD's and I've burned a few for friends, but I don't pretend that if CD's only cost 5.00 that I would never burn one. That's BS! Blanks are free after mail in rebate, so it's 5.00 vs. free. You'd probably burn them anyway, then make up another excuse. Now onto copywrite: Maybe I shouldn't get to leave my home to my kids. Maybe I should have to give it up to the government after I croak.........uh no. A musical compostion is no different-it's a creation of the composer, and it's rights should be respected or else there will be no professional composers, or recordings-just amatuers, and we have plenty of those as it is. If all of a sudden people were offering you serious money to publish your work in a book, you'd be singing a different tune. quote:
ORIGINAL: Bogdan1980 jshelton5040 Well, but don't you think if people kept selling music for a buck or two there wouldn't be a need to copy? It's like with the CDs and music. I read somewhere that it costs $1.60 to produce a CD. In Barnes and Noble it costs $20, talk about a profit margin. I would much rather spend $5 on a genuine CD than have recorded CDs everywhere, forgetting which one is which. But until CDs are $20 a pop people will continue sharing music. Of course you can say that until people keep sharing music selling CDs is not profitable so they are expensive. It's a vicious circle . I think the problem is that everyone's pretty greedy. Copyright wouldn't be an issue at all if the money weren't involved. As PhD candidate at a university I have to publish. I've published in several journals and these are of course covered by copyright. To me it's there so that no one can say they are the authors of what I've written. Money is not really (shouldn't be) an issue. I especially have hard time listening to all this copyright stuff when it comes to those musicians who are exorbitantly rich now.
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Date Jun. 12 2007 18:31:30
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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I'll buy a hybrid or hopefully an electric car, which I want to do at the current prices-it doesn't have to go to 5.00 You really can't measure what you think someone's "greed" might be without knowing their entire situation, which you will never know. When you are a PhD with a fat paycheck for teaching a few classes, doing research, getting a deal on premium housing, and you have a wife and three kids, you just may alter what you think is greedy. 120.00 for a textbook?-yeah I know because I have a kid in college, but you COULD simply post your texbook on the net and let kid's have it free...........I wouldn't expect you to do that and I don't think you will. I'd bet you'll want your kids and yes, your grandaughter, if your fortunate enough to have one, to benefit from the long hours you spend writing it.
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Date Jun. 12 2007 19:08:54
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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Bogdan I am a record producer. If you think you can make even a simple record at a reasonable level of quality, with only cante, guitar and palmas, with mucisians working for very little or for friendship, design, photograph and print the portada (cover, notes etc.) and pay for even 1000 copies for only $1.60.......................Please come and work for me: I need to know your secret. And if I see people making pirate copies of one of my CD I have a great urge to kick them in the testicles, because they are taking bread out of the mouths of the families of POOR musicians. Sean
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Date Jun. 12 2007 19:34:33
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Ron.M
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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland
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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Ok so how about some Paco scores and Vicente Amigo and others sheet music posted in tabs section? Maybe I'm just not following but those are posted to share for free and they look like there are not just scribled on the paper? Bogdan, I must admit I never look at the tabs section because I don't read tabs. I think what we try to do here is "trying to keep the heid" (as we say in Scotland) and slip wee bits and pieces by. I personally have given links to my OWN homepage, to the FULL mp3 track of some artists I would like others to hear. I've also posted links to my OWN homepage, with hard-to-get live performances from Flamenco heros in the early 70's which were recorded live off TV and probably even the BBC don't have the original tapes. The criteria I have is this... 1. Anything you post should not raise an objection either from the artist or representative. 2. Balance it out....If you host a single track from a not-too-well-known artist you are enthusiastic about, are you giving away his/her work OR exposing a piece of his/her work to more than 1000 Flamenco enthusiasts on this Forum? 3. If the person or representative complains...take it down immediately. This seems like commonsense to me. This "Everything should be free" thing really pisses me off. Gerardo Nuñez is a famous guitarist, gives concerts and schools and is certainly not lacking in a few bob. So...if someone posts a fileshare link to his complete teaching DVD...is that OK..because it's for educational purposes anyway? Anyway, whatever you think, the real world is like this... If an artist or representative wishes to take action against a website, it will be against the person who has registered that website (and is traceable), also the person or persons who jointly administer or moderate the site. YOU won't have anything to worry about. YOU can just keep sitting at your keyboard and keep tapping your support (but not financial!) I applaud your spirit Bogdan, but would you applaud me if I had to write up a sign of my truly held beliefs, views and values about the USSR in the 60's and then invite someone else to hold it up in front of a Soviet tank? If you feel really strongly about copyright then there is an easy way to solve this.... Register a site called Bogdan1980Free.org with your own traceable address and post all the all the stuff you think should be made free available to everyone. You see where I'm coming from? cheers, Ron
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Date Jun. 12 2007 21:21:54
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Ok guys, this is getting into too many issues, let's go back to FLAMENCO, ... Yeah, and who started the off topic thread??? Anyway to be fair I checked out your "decamp" forum to see how it was relevant to general flamenco topic. I saw one thread about a guy having problems playing "slow", and all these guys saying be careful with metronomes, they can make you not have a good sense of timing and musicality. All I can say for myself, if I joined a forum like that it would "welcome to HELLLLLLL, MMUHa ha !". Then I saw the flamenco triplet with some french girl teaching Rodrigo y Gabriela BS compas. No thanks. So this is all off topic amigo. By the way, about recodings/music copyright, etc. Well it is fine to defend an uneducated opinion, but even when someone like Sean comes and tries to explain how it works, you are still like "well I read it on the internet...somewhere". Man, too bad you got knocked off your dream forum, but just give it a rest now, since you don't have a clue really. Really, back to flamenco now would be best. Ricardo
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Date Jun. 13 2007 15:20:04
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