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Bogdan1980

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Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Don't have a clue regarding what?

Delcamp is not really a dream forum. In fact this whole thing happened in about a day or so. I just sort of signed up and got like 10 messages from moderators "read these rules, read these rules...." Man I haver enough rules in life to deal with to worry about those on some forum. That's about it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 15:48:22

Arash

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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

lol Ricardo you mean this video ?

About Delcamp: it is good for classical guitarists.
But if you are a flamenco, all you nead is FF!
You can spend 10 years with the search function here to find infos about any flamenco related subject and tabs, audios,etc.
There is no better forum for flamenco. So if you are a flamenco guiatrist, simply forget the rest. I checked them all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 15:52:10

Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Right on man!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 15:54:14

Bogdan1980

Posts: 370
Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Check this out! Just found this in response to Ricardo's "no clue" comment.

Record label Manufacture £1.50 CD and packaging
Mechanical royalty £0.51 publishing (8.5% of PPD)
Artist royalty £1.87
Label share £2.80 includes one-offs, running costs
Distribution Distributor — mail order
Retail Retailer £1.03 credit card, post and packing
VAT £1.63 sales tax
Total £9.34

So this is from bemuso.com, you can go read up. So ok the cost is about 10 ponds, sells for 15-20, 35% profit margin, artists get 1.87 ponds. Fair?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 18:48:52

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

Then I saw the flamenco triplet with some french girl teaching Rodrigo y Gabriela BS compas

She's actually quite sexy...

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 20:49:07

koella

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 21:48:51

Bogdan1980

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Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Way to get personal man.

Would you like you to be the center of my universe?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:13:32

koella

Posts: 2194
Joined: Sep. 10 2005
From: holland

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Yes you're right. And I promised myself so not to do that anymore. Sorry.
I'll delete it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:20:51

Bogdan1980

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Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Thanks koella
Better go to my post on Barrio La Vina and impart some useful knowledge on how to make the change between that picado on fret 2 and 4? If you would.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:23:00

koella

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From: holland

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Sorry I don't take any orders . And besides that , I don't know the piece.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:27:22

Bogdan1980

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Joined: May 23 2007
From: Frederick, MD

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

all you people are out of control

It's Paco De Lucia's piece. I have Faucher's transcr. It one of those "easier" Paco pieces but picados still kill you

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:29:41

koella

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Joined: Sep. 10 2005
From: holland

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Yes out of your control, happily.

Of course I know it's from Pdl. I meant I don't play it. So I can't say anything about it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2007 22:33:53

gato

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Joined: Jun. 9 2007

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to Ricardo)

Metronomes can't change your sense of rhythm, either you feel one kind of music or you feel another. It's in your upbringing, you have a sense of 'auto rhythm' with the musical and rhythmic biases that became natural to you; a forum can teach you things but it cant change what is your natural. What you have to do is choose carefully the music and rhythm that you hear and feel and play that. It's a hard lesson to learn, but a metronome is nothing but a tool to calculate rhythm, tempo and syncopation.

It's the same with harmony and melody, if you hear the blues you hear the blues, if you hear bluegrass, you hear bluegrass, if you hear flamenco you hear flamenco. You have go with your ear, and your feeling of tempo. It doesn't mean that you are a bad musician if you can't play everything, and it doesn't mean that you can't appreciate foreign and/or different kinds of music. Some people actually have self concience feelings of anexiety when they listen to what they consider strange and different music. The important thing is that we all practice tolerance and get along with our different and unique tastes and most importantly our many diverse cultures around the world.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 1:30:22

duende

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From: Sweden

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to gato)

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Metronomes can't change your sense of rhythm

QUE!?

If you practice with a metronom your sence of rythm improves, thats a fact.
what is true is that all people has a diffrent sence of rythm from the start.

reading your post it comes across like you have one sence of rythm and it cant be improved. and thats realy wrong.

how come it was hard to stay in compas was hard 7 years ago and now its not?
im not spanish nore a gitano....seems i must have learnd new rythms huh?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 6:15:07

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to duende)

I of course am gonna go with Duende here.

Sense of rhythm and sense of melody are learned in ALL types of music. Otherwise there'd be no teachers. All the greatest flamenco guitarists have had teachers - why, if they already had their sense of rhythm and melody from the start?

Repetition allows the brain to understand things as logical whether it's language, math or music. Now just listening to the metronome by itself won't help

but constantly trying out new melodies and practising rhythm against a flamenco metronome will.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 7:41:24

gato

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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to duende)

I have different kinds of rhythm, and different kinds of musical tastes, but there are kinds of music that I just can't get. With the kinds of musical tastes that I have it came rather quickly. A metronome can inprove your musical skill, but what you are not accoustomed to comes rather hard, and I think it's not worth it to fight rythmic and tonic orientation, you have to make that decision for yourself, and it is very hard to change, it's like trying to learn languages later in life. You orient as a child.

But, when, I want to understand something, and I want to tap it out I will reach for a metronome, and use it as I said because 'it is a tool,' I'm sorry if that is a harsh attitude to you, that is all it is, and that is the way that I feel. I didn't mean to sound so grim, but it's very good to accept things instead of denying them, when all it is is conditioning, and it's very hard to break.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 8:38:12

ToddK

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RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to gato)

quote:

Metronomes can't change your sense of rhythm, either you feel one kind of music or you feel another

I think you're extremely mistaken here.

A perfect pulse is a perfect pulse, any where in the world, and in any
kind of music.

What you're describing is the different ways in wich different people
"Swing" the rhythm. IE, the small diversions of certain beats, accents
etc etc.. For instance, the way the "and's" are closer to the following
downbeats in a Jerez bulerias. Depending on where you are in
the world, and the style of music, you will have varied amounts of
swing/ push and pull, in the rhythm.

BUT! At the center, is still perfect quarter note pulse.

As far as learning/training to be a great musician, internalizing a perfect
pulse with a metronome is an absolute must. The only alternative is
training with other players whom have already developed a perfect pulse.

I practice with a metronome all the time. It really keeps my rhythmic equalibrium
calibrated. I think this is one of the most important things you can do for
your playing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 9:16:03

John O.

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Joined: Dec. 16 2005
From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: Delcamp Forum (in reply to gato)

I don't think I'm fighting one tonic or rhythmic orientation by learning another, I'm not fighting farrucas by learning seguiriyas either.

Your attitude doesn't sound harsh or grimm, it's just depressing. Not for me though, I know what I can do and learn. I just think if everyone had your attitude there'd be no modern flamenco (i.e. accepting things instead of denying them). I don't know how old you are, maybe you'd be happier that way

People will always try to say what can or can't be done by others - either because they failed themselves or want to be one of the chosen special few...